The Gunfight at Not-OK Corral

Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 27 May 2005 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your insight!

I agree that it may all come to a head again very soon when the Supreme Court is the subject. I believe they will have to object to a filibuster at that time, because "extraordinary" cannot be used to resist Scalia moving up or a conservative replacing him, since the left/right balance would remain the same on the court.

However, if one of the liberal USSC justices were to retire...

They ought to be glad I am not President - by their attempted power grab and dictating demands on the office of the President - I would probably send them Ken Starr for the Supreme Court to replace Scalia. LOL!

[John Valentine]

And you are too much the gentleman to mention the "hole".

[mississippi red-neck]

You have been reading my mail.

To: William Creel

I don't think that all three of the nominees will pass the floor vote. The Democrats agreed only to vote to lift the filibuster.

I think there's a very good chance that those Rhino's agreed off the record in the meetings to switch their floor votes on at least one of these three and not confirm.

I think it will be Bill Pryor. Watch how Graham and McCain and the rest parse their words.

They keep giving the subtle disclaimer that the deal only guarantees a floor vote where every senator can vote their conscience not that they will be passed.

This is almost a sure sign that someone was sold out to the Democrats for the deal.

The Democrats really hate Pryor especially after Bush went around them and appointed him by recess appointment.

This way they can get him and say they kept their word and gave him an up and down vote and he just didn't have the votes.

Never mind that before this deal all three did have more than fifty.

This deal stinks.

86 posted on 05/24/2005 11:39:57 PM CDT by mississippi red-neck [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

[Mind-numbed Robot]

But if it ever does come to pass, then that day I will not merely leave the Republican Party, I will become a fury, seeking and working actively to destroy the Republican Party in all its incarnations, so that in the ensuing vacuum, a new pro-life political force might emerge.

Gee, if you have that much energy and power why don't you just straighten things out now rather than waiting for later?

[Congressman Billybob]

Yep, I meant the opposite of what I actually wrote. That's one of the hazards of writin' inna middle ov the night.

John / Billybob

[ishabibble]

Amen brother! Amen!

[SAJ]

Entirely accurate.

Entirely eloquent.

And, given its accuracy, entirely sad.

Do we still possibly have a latter-day Cicero who will chastise these vermin on behalf of the citizens and what's left of our Republic? Quo usque tandem abutere, Senatores, patientia nostra?

An excellent essay, John, and many thanks!

[Bogolyubski]

On of your finest analyses, Congressman. I especially loved the quote from Macbeth. The perfect summation of the "great event."

[Bogolyubski]

If the RNC had any sense (a very dubious proposition, admittedly), they would give Snow, Chafee and DeWine the same kind of tremendous support they did Alan Keyes in the Illinois Senate race last year.

[Bogolyubski]

I've got a question for you. Who nominated the following judges to the Supreme Court?

Harry Blackmun (author of Roe. v. Wade), John Paul Stevens, Sandra Day O'Connor, and David Souter - all pro-abortion judges?

Answer: Republican presidents. Nixon (Blackmun and Stevens), Reagan (O'Connor), Bush 41 (Souter). If that's the only reason you are staying in the Republican party, it's a false reason to do so. Until Republicans have the courage to dump the "big-tent" idiocy of the plaid-pants guys who are running the party, we'll continue to see the McCains, the Snowes, the Collinses and the Chaffees in league with the RATS at every opportunity. The Dhimmicrats are quite ruthless about enforcing the party line. When's the last time you heard of a pro-life Dem being put up for federal-level office? Not only do the Repubs back pro-aborts, they even back those who are in favor of partial-birth abortion (Snowe and Collins). Leftists do not belong in the Republican party.

[xzins]

The dems don't care about this deal. They want Republican blood.

They got it yesterday, and that will only encourage them.

[nopardons]

That's what I've been saying too. At least there are two of us here, who see that. :-)

[nopardons]

Brown, Owen, and Pryor have NO guarantee...all that is guaranteed is an up or down vote.

WHY IS THIS SO INCOMPREENSABLE TO MANY HERE?

[nopardons]

You really LOVE Dem spin, don't you?

THERE IS NOTHING HIDING IN SAAD'S FBI FILE!

There are HORRIBLE things in every single person's RAW FBI file; all or most of it ( with some exceptions and Saad's NOT one of them! ) garbage made up by old enemies and unprovable.

Be prepared to be shocked. You are very naive, perhaps you'll wake up now.

[goldstategop]

The definition of a moderate might be: "non-commital." You don't want to have to take a stand. And this agreement non-agreement perfectly illustrates the problem with the moderate pretension to politics. You can read its terms any way you want.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[Enterprise]

Would it be correct to refer to him as "My esteemed colleague, the gentleass from Arizona?"

[Colorado Buckeye]

Because of the holes in its logic and terms, this Compromise is no agreement at all. It will fall apart shortly after the three judicial nominees have been confirmed. When Chief Justice Rehnquist resigns in a month and President Bush nominates Antonin Scalia to replace him, all Hell will break loose.

One can say that it is "no agreement at all" but that doesn't mean that their are not winners and losers. Once "all hell breaks loose" when that SC vacancy appears, it will be much more difficult for the Republicans to nuke the filibuster option. If they had done it now, the filibuster would be off the table for SC fights in the future. It may seem subtle, but I think we lost.

[Enterprise]

Republicans in general are looking at these 7 asses and saying: "We are not amused."

Good analysis.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

I understand Nelson and Hagel are in trouble, and that's why Hagel backed away from the "McCainiacs".

Hagel and Specter weren't needed, so they remain crypto-filibusterers. (people who don't have to show their real intentions) That means we are at least four votes short. And I figure there are at least two or three more Democrats in deeper Republican cover. They vote Republican as long as their vote is meaningless.

Democrats can pretend to be decent people while it is almost impossible for a Republican to impersonate a pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-tax Democrat. It's almost like a gang initiation where you have to kill somebody to get in.

[Once-Ler]

Because of the holes in its logic and terms, this Compromise is no agreement at all. It will fall apart shortly after the three judicial nominees have been confirmed. When Chief Justice Rehnquist resigns in a month and President Bush nominates Antonin Scalia to replace him, all Hell will break loose.

I don't really care if the show down is later. To me this looks like a cease fire until 3 of our best nominees get confirmed. I'm elated to finally see them get a vote. If the rats only pause their illegal filibustering and obstruction until 3 judges get confirmed and then want to continue painting public perception closer to the next elections...I don't see it as a negative for the GOP. Any fleeting bad feelings this compromise creates will be diminished when the judges are confirmed.