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1 posted on 05/23/2005 4:18:44 PM PDT by jern
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Collins, Chaffee and Snowe are hopeless, but surely the Republicans in Ohio, Arizona, Virginia and South Carolina can come up with conservative replacements for DeWine, McCain, Warner and Graham. I would be so ashamed if I were a Republican from their states.


1,625 posted on 05/23/2005 7:12:31 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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Only the Republican party could screw up such a monumental mandate given to them last November. Bush isn't even on the radar anymore. I've lost faith in him and all of them. They choked. They're all a bunch of losers.


1,711 posted on 05/23/2005 7:38:18 PM PDT by Aggie Mama
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I am so sick of these RINOs and their freakin grandstanding! I hate them more than I hate the Rats. At least the Rats know what they stand for. I would rather have an honest enemy than a treacherous "ally".

John McCain is the "France" of the Republican party


1,717 posted on 05/23/2005 7:39:24 PM PDT by darkmatter (Let them hate. As long as they fear. -Julius Caesar)
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I'm still musing this over, but think we have lost nothing that wasn't lost anyway. Senators are alwasy free to wheel and deal.

If there is any loss, it hasn't manifested itself yet. The loss is a belief that the Senate cannot muster 50 votes to honor the Constitutional principle of balance between the president and the Senate. The GOP half of the gang of 14 may feel different about that in a couple weeks.

My first impression of the memorandum of understanding is that it is merely a delay to the restoration of the principle of balance between the president and the Senate regarding nominations, carried out in up-and-down votes on nominations.

It is smoke and mirrors to cover for the DEMs voting to approve the cloture motion. It is a face-saving and delay device. It has a silver lining in that it exposes a number of Senator's disdain for the Constitution.

The damage to the GOP is self-inflicted, because it cast itself as holding the nuclear trigger, and is now perceived as weak.

The nominations of Saad if reported out of committee, will again raise the issue of DEM agreement to vote. Myers is out of committee and is NOW on the Executive Calendar. If the DEMs withhold unanimous consent to vote, and 16 Senators do NOT file a cloture motion on them, then the GOP will have caved totally to the edict of the 14.

The Bolton Nomination is on the Executive Calendar too. ;-)

1,728 posted on 05/23/2005 7:42:44 PM PDT by Cboldt
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One thing to keep in mind - the fundamental battle here is between the president and the Senate. I think GWB will keep the pressure on. The Senate can't make nominations disappear. It has to either vote on them, or return them to the president.

The president can put some political pressure on the Senate. Myers and Bolton are on the Senate's Executive Calendar today.

1,747 posted on 05/23/2005 7:50:22 PM PDT by Cboldt
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I watched.

It will be portrayed as a loss by us in the main stream media.

AND this time I think they may be right.

1,789 posted on 05/23/2005 8:01:44 PM PDT by demsux
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Where does the buck stop. At W's desk. Period. He should have led the way and explained to America that the democrats where trying to STOP THE VOTE. That dems were stopping WOMEN from getting these posts. That the Filibuster was used to keep Blacks down in the Jim Crow South.

But no.

Well maybe we will get our people nominated anyway. Even so, we will have lost the opportunity to get rid of a stupid rule - the filibuster. It has never served this nation well and it won't in the future either.
1,867 posted on 05/23/2005 8:23:46 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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Here's To You McCain and the Rest of the RINO's And your presidential hopes

1,932 posted on 05/23/2005 8:46:08 PM PDT by Rise of South Park Republicans (The Founding Fathers wanted disagreements as long as we all agree America kicks as* - Eric Cartman)
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The Republicans has just sacrificed A LOT OF DONATIONS and possibly the '06 elections. Congratulations. Utterly spineless...

Unless I see a huge improvement leading up to '06, I'm sitting that election out. If the Reps want to behave like the minority, then I will just help them out.


1,965 posted on 05/23/2005 8:57:22 PM PDT by dmanLA
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LOL! That was a good one


1,990 posted on 05/23/2005 9:07:53 PM PDT by Rise of South Park Republicans (The Founding Fathers wanted disagreements as long as we all agree America kicks as* - Eric Cartman)
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For weeks we (Freepers, Bush, Frist) have been saying that the only acceptable outcome is an up or down vote on all nominees.

Now the RINO's throw Saad and Myers under the bus.

To paraphrase the Greek general Pyrrhus: Many more victories like this and we shall be ruined.

2,041 posted on 05/23/2005 9:31:20 PM PDT by Oliver Optic
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Senate RINOs opposing the nuclear constitutional option

Next Election.... Name.... State.... Phone#

2006..... Snowe.... ME.... (202) 224-5344
Snowe, Olympia- (R - ME) Class I 154 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 E-mail: olympia@snowe.senate.gov
2006..... Chafee.... RI.... (202) 224-2921
Chafee, Lincoln- (R - RI) Class I 141A RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 Web Form: chafee.senate.gov/webform.htm
2006.... DeWine.... ME.... (202) 224-2315
DeWine, Mike- (R - OH) Class I 140 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 Web Form: dewine.senate.gov
2008.... Graham... SC... (202) 224-5972
Graham, Lindsey- (R - SC) Class II 290 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 Web Form: lgraham.senate.gov/index.cfm?mode=contact
2008.... Warner... VA... (202) 224-2023
Warner, John- (R - VA) Class II 225 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 Web Form: warner.senate.gov/contact/contactme.cfm
2008.... Collins.... ME... (202) 224-2523
Collins, Susan- (R - ME) Class II 461 DIRKSEN SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 Web Form: collins.senate.gov/low/contactemail.htm
2010.... McCain.... AZ.... (202) 224-2235
McCain, John- (R - AZ) Class III 241 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 Web Form: mccain.senate.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Contact.Home

2,073 posted on 05/23/2005 9:54:05 PM PDT by davidosborne (www.davidosborne.net)
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Well, Mcain and Warner just seeled their collective fates. No Presidential nomination for them.

Do you think it will dawn on them that the liberals screwed them over now, or when the filibuster resumes? Or in a few years when the dems are back in the majority and just change the rules outright, without provocation.


2,192 posted on 05/23/2005 11:53:05 PM PDT by trubluolyguy ("Sure dolphins are friendly and smart, friendly and smart on rye bread with mayo")
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These 7 Republicans just gave control of judges and the Senate to Democrats.
This is a disgrace and at a time when we had a 55 majority, these bastards caved.
This is not good, time for the nuclear option on the careers of these 7 Senators IMO.


2,342 posted on 05/24/2005 1:47:44 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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