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NH: Man without I.D. vows to board flight or be jailed
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Posted on 05/22/2005 7:30:03 AM PDT by Dada Orwell

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To: Buddy B
Buddy, Congress did declare war in Iraq. War Powers Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

" However, in every instance since the act was passed, the President has requested and received authorization for the use of force (though not a formal declaration of war) consistent with the provisions of the resolution. "

Buddy, The joint resolution I linked to is a formal declaration of war. How is it not? What specifically in the Constitution is defined about the meaning of a declaration of war that contradicts this resolution?

141 posted on 05/22/2005 2:35:39 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Buddy B
Have a great day, enjoyed your posts and replies

Buddy, before you go consider this from the resolution.

By its definition, war is a conflict carried on by arms, between nations.

Regards.

142 posted on 05/22/2005 2:42:05 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Caipirabob
I have a far greater objection to the search...

If you don't like America, why don't you move to another country? ;-)

143 posted on 05/22/2005 4:12:16 PM PDT by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Drew68
I engaged in a bit of civil disobedience myself this weekend

I wouldn't advertise that too much.

Some "junior Homeland Security informant" might rat you out for a McDonalds Happy Meal courtesy of your tax dollars.

(Granted, we're not to that point yet, but rapidly getting there)

144 posted on 05/22/2005 4:13:58 PM PDT by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Racehorse
TSA to Require Boarding Passes at Security Checkpoints at San Jose Airport

Show that to the posters here that still believe the airlines are "free" to set their own requirements and policies for people that board.

145 posted on 05/22/2005 4:16:17 PM PDT by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Dada Orwell

Who ever said we were a "Free Country?"


146 posted on 05/22/2005 4:17:18 PM PDT by Hildy ( The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue)
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To: Maceman
You can be a passenger in a car with no ID. You can take a Greyhound Bus without having to show an ID to a federal employee. You can hitchhike

Try peaceably carrying a legal firearm while doing any of the above, and then refusing to identify yourself. Not so free, are we?

Anyway, these "you can always hitchhike or take the bus" arguments are insulting to a free people, and fundamentaly anti-American.

147 posted on 05/22/2005 4:22:15 PM PDT by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Always A Marine
The real goal of terrorism is not to destroy lives and property, but to provoke such an overreaction that the targeted government will become more of a menace to its society than the actual terrorists. If we don't wake up, grow up, and end this lunacy, a handful of terrorists will have gotten their way.

Good post, on all counts.

148 posted on 05/22/2005 4:24:03 PM PDT by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: whd23
If a group of private companies require you to provide ID to make use of their service, that isn't a violation of your rights.

Actually, a previous poster showed where the TSA was making them do it.

149 posted on 05/22/2005 4:26:19 PM PDT by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Dada Orwell
It seems to me that as a corporation, any airline could simply say, "You will allow us to check your identity, or you will no be allowed to fly."

While there are government regulations that seem to imply that, it would be so much simpler for the reason to be that a private company wishes to know your identity before allowing you to use their services.

After all, you're not forced to fly.

Mark

150 posted on 05/22/2005 4:30:24 PM PDT by MarkL (I've got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!!!)
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To: FreeReign
By its definition, war is a conflict carried on by arms, between nations.

Why is it that I do not read that the "Nation of IRAQ" declared war on the USA?

References, please! --- Or have I missed something?

151 posted on 05/22/2005 4:31:08 PM PDT by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: Dada Orwell

"In a free country you do not need government permission to travel."

For sure. You can take off walking and go where you want.

You can travel in many ways, flying is different and is not mandatory.


152 posted on 05/22/2005 4:33:33 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland
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To: Moral Hazard
Thousands of people were killed on 9/11 because of lax security at airports.

No, they were not.

Thousands of people were killed on 9/11 because of a self-defense free zone in and around airliners and a "let them hijack" policy dating from the early 1970s.

153 posted on 05/22/2005 4:42:37 PM PDT by B Knotts (Viva il Papa!)
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To: FreeReign
BTW, last I heard, employers who ask for citizenship papers as proof, are subject to law suits.

You have it backward. Employers are REQUIRED to ask for proof an employee is legally eligable to work. The potential employee can choose to provide a passport or other legal documentation, but the employer MUST ask, and must get it before employing someone.

As for how you know someone is driving without a license, they also likely have no registration, no insurance, etc. All those can be checked based on the tags, home address, etc.

But the bottom line is, for PIs who are used to tracking down hidden assets and willful trickery, finding illegal aliens would be like shooting fish in a barrel. $1000 per head reward, and these guys would do five before breakfast.

But noooooo, YOU would rather the government tagged and track us all.

154 posted on 05/22/2005 4:49:41 PM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
You can travel in many ways, flying is different and is not mandatory.

What is different? You are going from Point A to Point B, with whatever method you choose to travel.

155 posted on 05/22/2005 5:00:26 PM PDT by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: Mulder
If you don't like America, why don't you move to another country? ;-)

Where did you ever get that from? All I said is that I object to the search. I've made my choice as a consumer and a citizen and don't place myself in that position.

Don't get all snippy...; )

156 posted on 05/22/2005 5:07:04 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Buddy B
By its definition, war is a conflict carried on by arms, between nations.

Why is it that I do not read that the "Nation of IRAQ" declared war on the USA?

What?

Paraphrasing your mindset;

References, please! --- Or have I missed something?

Yes I think you're missing something.

When you can articulate how this resolution falls short of what is required by the Constitution, please let me know.

157 posted on 05/22/2005 5:21:28 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: eno_
But noooooo, YOU would rather the government tagged and track us all.

I never said that. Why don't you document where I said that -- you can't!

Employers are REQUIRED to ask for proof an employee is legally eligable[sic] to work. The potential employee can choose to provide a passport or other legal documentation, but the employer MUST ask, and must get it before employing someone.

So private companies are required by the government to get their potential employee to show their papers in order that they may get a job? Gee, that sounds familiar.

How is that different than private airline companies required by the government to get the potential air traveler to show their papers in order that they may travel by air.

There's not a dimes worth of difference. Same goes with the drivers license and registration example -- all which was my original point.

158 posted on 05/22/2005 5:38:19 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

slight correction...illegals aliens are free to come and go as they please.....


159 posted on 05/22/2005 6:10:25 PM PDT by halfright (9/11 3,000 Americans MURDERED...close the borders!)
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To: FreeReign

Did I say I approved of all that? Nope. Just the reality of it is that illegals could EASILY be found.

Our government has no need to track citizens more closely.


160 posted on 05/22/2005 6:35:16 PM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending.)
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