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Predators & Pornography. A disturbing link.
NRO ^ | May 19, 2005, 8:15 a.m. | By Penny Nance

Posted on 05/19/2005 11:05:47 AM PDT by .cnI redruM

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To: xsrdx

I would NOT allow myself to be videotaped at all. Also, if my husband asks I'd wonder where his mind is at. That's leaving open a big gateway. Plus tapes can be LOST and get in the hands of other people. Vulgarity so YES I think it's just another compromise and is part of the whole lure of pornography.


521 posted on 05/20/2005 6:53:37 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: laredo44

It will not be OK for ANY of my children at all. Take your libertinism eleswhere.


522 posted on 05/20/2005 6:54:48 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg
No Offense taken cy.

I am a female (birth mother).
I am also his interpretor.
Think of a hearing impaired person who has a translator.

I translate his augmentative language to others.

Trust me. I know more than any Mom would want to know but being his full time careprovider it is more of a job and I put the Mom hat away when working. I have also been trained by his medical specialists to do proceedures at home that use to require day surgury stays or trips to Corvallis for care (all day road trip). I won't go into those areas as it is off topic but I guarentee you it would make you cringe. I have to shut down the Mom part for those proceedure and do a job. The end result is he is living life to the fullest and without a doubt without the game plan we have used he would of had complications and passed away a long time ago. Read the Newspaper article about his life on our bio if you care to get the whole picture. He is an amazing person and I am very proud of him.
523 posted on 05/20/2005 6:55:24 AM PDT by oceanperch ( Monday May 23, 2005 King Vanity Celebrates #26)
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To: ExPatInFrance
Again a difference between looking and "lusting looking"

Bingo - a difference transparent to many on this thread.

524 posted on 05/20/2005 7:00:16 AM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Aquinasfan
"Liberty" isn't about the freedom to do evil.

What an absurd statement. Whoever defined liberty as the right to do whatever you please?

525 posted on 05/20/2005 7:02:53 AM PDT by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem)
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To: laredo44
Who is advocating protection of child pornography??!!

Well for starters, post #1 asks the question:

So if life imitates art, and a piece of suppossed art models a destructive form of behavior that we would never want to see indulged, should that piece of art be banned?

Since the article opened with the example of David Westerfield and his collection of kiddie porn, I would say the writer of the rhetorical question above.

526 posted on 05/20/2005 7:04:30 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: cyborg
Take your libertinism eleswhere.

When you do the same with your tyranny.

527 posted on 05/20/2005 7:05:41 AM PDT by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem)
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To: laredo44

Have your porn. Just remember what holds this civilization together and it sure as hell isn't your precious losertarian ideals.


528 posted on 05/20/2005 7:06:41 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg
Have your porn.

Not if it were up to you.

Just remember what holds this civilization together and it sure as hell isn't your precious losertarian ideals.

And it sure as hell isn't tyranny.

529 posted on 05/20/2005 7:10:03 AM PDT by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem)
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To: laredo44
How about someone's pursuit of happiness? Can you see how that might be impinged by banning something they enjoy?

Happiness, or just a happy penis?

In the strictest sense, then yes, I suppose it ought to be upheld since it may constitute the pursuit of happiness - although who's kidding anybody - porn is not going to bring anyone true happines...

530 posted on 05/20/2005 7:10:08 AM PDT by QuiMundus (Learn, Act, Educate, Repeat - http://www.smithism.com)
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To: TheGunny

Then you should have made a different argument.


531 posted on 05/20/2005 7:15:26 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: ExPatInFrance

Kudos to you being a proud parent too!

I agree with you.
I also can say that my son can never come back and say he hates me for controlling his life.

His life is his own and I see my being his care provider as a job which I enjoy immensly.

My plan was to go into the medical field when I was a young person so in a twist I have been able to fufill my passion of practicing medicine in a full spectrum of areas with one patient who is in himself a case medical history.

One of his most fave Biblical passages is:
Love is faithful, Love is Kind and ends (I am having a mental geezer lapse) in Love is like a resounding Gong.

But yes I agree with you. Also when they are mature enough to be honest with you that they have muddied up you can support them but not coddle them back on their way and then leave that in the past never to bring up as a way to badger them. Of coarse with humor intended there are events that are always good for a laugh looking back.


532 posted on 05/20/2005 7:21:38 AM PDT by oceanperch ( Monday May 23, 2005 King Vanity Celebrates #26)
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To: xsrdx
Just curious

Don't patronize me.

- would video of a married couples sexual activity be pornographic in your mind, if only they watched it? Or does it only become "porn" when it's distributed for public use? Is it the medium, the act, the participants, or the viewer that makes it porn? Would it be a sin to use such tapes in sex therapy to improve a marital sexual relationship? If a married couple should watch each other in the mirror and enjoy it, is that un-Christian?

Lust is "the inordinate craving for, or indulgence of, the carnal pleasure which is experienced in the human organs of generation," and can occur even within marriage, when a spouse is considered simply as a means of gratifying one's sexual impulses. This contradicts the purpose of the marital act, which is two-fold: the unity of the couple and procreation.

This information is sufficient to answer your sophistries.

533 posted on 05/20/2005 7:23:24 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: laredo44
Whoever defined liberty as the right to do whatever you please?

The pro-porn, prostitution, and drug crowd.

534 posted on 05/20/2005 7:24:15 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Antoninus
Just trading one man's hand for another. Pretty sick if you ask me.

Yikes. THAT's an interesting viewpoint.

535 posted on 05/20/2005 7:49:29 AM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Antoninus

I know the verse, and in my opinion, I think you are misreading--I don't think the Jesuits did me a bad turn; that would be very difficult indeed.

I never said that Jesus says that porn is healthy and its not a sin, but he says do not judge--that is clear. The verse that you mention, on the Sermon on the Mount (I can't imagine the Jesuits not teaching the Sermon on the Mount in your 8 years....) is again, like I said before, the guidelines for a Christian to live by. Yes, a married person who lusts after another woman has committed adultery, but here Jesus just defines the rules of adultery--he doesn't say we should condemn the person; indeed, his teachings both on the Sermon on the Mount and in John 8:1-11; Jesus specifically does not condemn the adulterer.

Remember what I was saying: in the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus gives a guide to Christians for their behavior. He says some things are bad--lusting in your heart after women, certainly--but he also recognizes that we are all humans, and we err and we sin. Because of that, a good Christian should not condemn or judge others for their failings, because we all have failings of our own.

Which brings us to pornography. Assuming for a moment that it is a sin, God gave us all free will, and whether or not to view pornography--and sin--is a moral choice for all of us to make; as such, Jesus tells us that we should not judge others for the moral choices that they make. If nothing else, the Gospels make that clear. Assuming, however, that viewing pornography is not a sin--because it just simply isn't sinful or Christianity is wrong--well then, no harm, no foul, and society has no legitimate interesting in banning a practice, which, in and of itself, is not socially harmful.

As for St. Paul, he is not Jesus.


536 posted on 05/20/2005 7:49:43 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Antoninus
In your opinion, then, from the time the Constitution was written until the Cultural Revolution 1960s, we lived with laws that were patently unconstitutional.

Pretty much. There were many instances where the actions of American government did not live up to the Constitution.

537 posted on 05/20/2005 8:02:09 AM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: QuiMundus
In the strictest sense, then yes, I suppose it ought to be upheld since it may constitute the pursuit of happiness - although who's kidding anybody - porn is not going to bring anyone true happines...

If only everybody would be just like you, eh? Your way is the true path to true happiness...got it. Variation is the source of all misery. I have an idea, let's legislate that everyone behave just like you then see how many concur that they are truly happy.

538 posted on 05/20/2005 8:03:53 AM PDT by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem)
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To: Antoninus
"Freedom" isn't the ability to do anything you want when you want with whomever you want.

No, freedom is the ability to do whatever you want so long as you do not harm the person or property of another without their consent.

539 posted on 05/20/2005 8:10:57 AM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Modernman

The basis of liberty is not that permission to do legitimate things is granted to the people by the government. Rather, the government is empowered by the people to do a limited number of legitimate things. All else the people are free to do. We do not need to justify our choices.


540 posted on 05/20/2005 8:13:44 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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