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1 posted on 05/16/2005 1:52:04 PM PDT by Alouette
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2 posted on 05/16/2005 1:53:03 PM PDT by Alouette (The truth is not hard to kill, but a lie told well is immortal. -- Mark Twain)
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I'm still trying to figure out anti-Israel Jews.


4 posted on 05/16/2005 1:59:37 PM PDT by JZelle
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I had David Duke on my old radio show & asked him that very question about whether there was any real difference between the far left & far right. He tried saying that they're completely different, but he wasn't very convincing.


5 posted on 05/16/2005 1:59:57 PM PDT by aynrandfreak (When can we stop pretending that the Left doesn't by and large hate America?)
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Is it me or has the Far Right and Left been using the same playbook lately?
6 posted on 05/16/2005 2:03:00 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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"They've moved so far around the political circle that they've met on the other side,..."

And majority submission to their philosophy requires their own kind of radical socialist tyranny.
9 posted on 05/16/2005 2:16:31 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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16 posted on 05/16/2005 4:07:03 PM PDT by SJackson (The first duty of a leader is to make himself be loved without courting love, Andre Malraux)
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There were no WMDs. There was no connection to 9/11.

Hmm, are the facts that there were no WMDs in Iraq and that 9/11 bombers were Saudies a form of antisemitism? This is rich.

18 posted on 05/16/2005 6:35:50 PM PDT by A. Pole (Heraclitus: "Nothing endures but change.")
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The allegiance is not hatred of the Jews -- the allegiance is because both groups are alienated by the authoritarian rule of the GOP. The Democrats want their own authoritarianism to be the order of the day, and Pat Buchanan wants his stateless fascism to be the order of the day. Problem is, right now the GOP is the authoritarians ruler, holding the ever-expanding reigns of the state.

Rockwell has the most logical and consistent argument -- I do believe that the American Enterprise Institute, and the group of people that are called the "neoconservatives," have had significant intellectual influence on this administration's policies. I know that your average Republican might find it hard to believe -- but the right has its own ivory tower -- all political movments do, and it has often been said that the conflicts within a society are actually on behalf of opposing intellectual forces.

"Neoconservatives" advocated for increased authoritarianism and large-scale military endeavors -- and are not necessarily against the welfare state --- which Rockwell is against, on all counts.

Rockwell IS a Libertarian, Pat Buchanan IS a paleoconservative and Michael Moore is a liberal leftist (though, contrary to popular vision -- not the extreme left. Moore is neither an anarchist, nor a socialist.)

Buchanan certainly has a history for Jewish defamation, but it's not this which aligns him with the liberals and the libertarians -- it's the fact that right-wing authoritarianism OR neoconservatism butts up against parts of their respective ideologies -- making them turn, mostly in toward Rockwell's position.

It's textbook.


19 posted on 05/16/2005 6:50:54 PM PDT by MsJefferson (Self-evident)
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Bump to read later.


21 posted on 05/17/2005 1:15:59 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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PJB is one a the few independent thinkers in the mainstream media. He's pro-America and a true conservative.

George Bush could have lost the last election on account of the Iraqi War; the electoral college was much closer than the popular vote.

Sorry my conservative friends:

1. In retrospect at least it's clear Iraq posed no immediate threat to USA.

2. "Iraqi freedom" and "Iraqi democracy" if such a thing is possible for these Muslims is NOT worth American boys dying on their soil, being crippled for life etc. Since when is it America's job to win "freedom for Muslims"? What about Haiti? What about Bosnia? Rwanda?

We rightly send our soldiers after Al-Qaeda, but Iraq is a mess. Absolutely W is correct here; he would be seen as a wimp if we did not hunt down the last one of those SOBs.

3. A Republican victory in 2008 is more important than giving Iraqi the a "democracy" to vote in an anti-American government with even more legitimacy than their last one.

I don't want even a chance for anti- American Sunni and Shiite Muslims new government, whose down payment was made in American blood, to then be a base for further anti-American activity.

Meanwhile, GOP could lose election in 2008 because of war and its human as well as economic costs, and we have to suffer thru the appointment of another round of tyrannical judges and waste of more tax dollars on liberal idiocies and "dreams."
Yes, I know 2008 isn't here, but it soon will be, and the war will have gone on too long. A long unwinnable war is not a great platform.

The GOP has only so much political capital. Exhausting it on Iraq will please some mighty powerful and loud people, but for middle, conservative America, it's waste of time, talent, and blood.
25 posted on 05/17/2005 3:55:10 PM PDT by Piers-the-Ploughman
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