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To: Principled
When "business taxes" are eliminated, prices fall at each stage in an attempt to maximize profits (maximum price does not mean maximum profit in a competitive industry).

I don't know if you remember the big 'sugar crisis'circa 1980.

World sugar prices went through the roof.
One of the first price increases was soft drinks. Lots of sugar in soft drinks.
But lo and behold, artificially sweetened drinks went up also.

And when sugar prices returned to low levels a yr. or so later, guess what. Soft drinks stayed at high levels.

I am skeptical of industry passing along any savings they may get from the new tax system.

And your explanation doesn't answer the amortizing the 23-30% tax on a new house.
A person would pay 3,4+ times the tax over a 30 yr. period.

The one thing I find attractive is that many people that now pay no tax would pay some, or would they? What with some sort of 'rebate' check from the gov every month.

I have many other questions concerning the NRST, such as Roth IRAs.

291 posted on 05/16/2005 5:20:07 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Vinnie

I believe you may misunderstand what is involved in the home buying situation. Please check the first couple of links in #277 above.

The prebate is also covered in the FairTax FAQs but basically is an amount based solely upon family size and everyone gets it - even Bill Gates - unless he opts out. All (even those receiving the prebate) pay the sales tax but those with the lowest incomes are protected up to the poverty level of income.

You might read the bill itself as it is quite understandable.


292 posted on 05/16/2005 5:29:53 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Vinnie
I am skeptical of industry passing along any savings they may get from the new tax system.

Of course you are - if you think that they'll pass along any savings out of the goodness of their hearts! But that's not the case - they'll have to pass the savings along (in any competitive industry) to survive.

And your explanation doesn't answer the amortizing the 23-30% tax on a new house. A person would pay 3,4+ times the tax over a 30 yr. period.

Why would they pay more than now??? Today's prices include fed tax and tax costs amounting to 25% or so of the total price. The same will be true under an nrst. No difference in the amount of tax paid at home purchase, but big difference in whether you see 25% of the price as tax. Now, you clearly do not - hence your misunderstanding of this point. Under the nrst, it must be itemized on eery receipt "Federal Tax 23%". A home today that costs $100,000 already has about $25,000 of fed tax and tax costs in the price. Without those taxes, the home would be $75,000. Under the nrst, those fed tax and tax costs are eliminated, then prices fall because housing is a competitive industry, then add the nrst and the price is back to $100,000. No change.

The one thing I find attractive is that many people that now pay no tax would pay some, or would they?

Yes. Like a pizza party with 18 people costing $90. Our current situation is like the pizza party with 9 of the people paying. That would be $10 each (for those paying). Of course those that don't pay wouldn't like to reform the pizza party paying plans. But if they ALL paid each could pay $5.

What with some sort of 'rebate' check from the gov every month.

Yes the rebate goes to any US resident with a valid SSN who wants it. Analogous to today's standard deduction, it exempts a certain level of spending from taxes.

This has the net effect of reducing marginal rates on those who spend less. But everyone would still have to pull green money out of their pockets at purchase time - they'd feel the pain of taxes still.

Roth IRAs. Well under today's system the withdrawals are tax free until you spend them - at which time 25% of the price is actually fed tax and tax costs. Under the nrst, EVERYTHING is a roth - and you pay 23% of prices as fed tax.

There's no more taxing roths under an nrst than now. Indeed, all savings grow tax free under the nrst - not just special roths...and there is no penalty for untimely withdrawal.

http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq.html

318 posted on 05/17/2005 6:17:48 AM PDT by Principled
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