Every time they sign a tax check, I don't have to. That is self-evident. You are claiming that I paid those taxes. You are, of course, wrong.
I claim there is a tax cost to you embedded in the prices you pay for anything you purchase for final consumption in the retail market.
So what? That is in no way comparable to the destruction to be wrought on my ability to support myself, of assuming business's tax burden de jure.
You pay for a product for your own consumption, you are financing the income and payroll taxes of the producers of that product.
Except for those taxes paid for by other people, including those not living in the United States.
Businesses just want the tax onus taken off them so they can offer other customers overseas more competitive prices -- and I have to pay ALL the tax burden previously shared by all those companies' customers, not just the little part imputable to my purchase.
This is a hustle, and you know it. That's why you're fighting so hard. You're playing three-card monte with the lurkers, and if they fall for your line, they're screwed.
I claim no benefit to you at all, nor to myself.
Inscribed over the gates to Con Man Hell, as a reminder of their sins in life.
“No one should be judge in his own case. ”
Take your own advice.
I educate the educatable, not those with minds closed to reality and change.
"There's a sucker born every minute." -- P.T. Barnum.
I wish you bad luck with your con, dude. Hope nobody else is taken in by your rattling the tin cup for millionaires.
You are the one claiming a benefit out of business somehow paying taxes not I.
Every time they sign a tax check, I don't have to. That is self-evident.
Not a thing self evident in that at all. Self delusion maybe, but not self-evident as you bought their product, what is in their remittence to government includes a portion of your payment to them contributing in the same proportion as every other purchaser of that business' products to the business' remittences to government.
You are claiming that I paid those taxes. You are, of course, wrong.
You buy the product, you pay a proportionate share of the taxes remitted in proportion to your expenditures for goods and services. Some folk even manage to purchase beyound their income through credit, and pay an even higher burden in taxes relative to their incomes.
I claim there is a tax cost to you embedded in the prices you pay for anything you purchase for final consumption in the retail market.
So what? That is in no way comparable to the destruction to be wrought on my ability to support myself, of assuming business's tax burden de jure.
Thanks for conceding the point you were denying before. See even you ultimately start recognizing reality when is no longer escapable.
You support your side of taxes directly through individual income an payroll taxes, then finance the taxes business remit as well right now. Just because you don't see a line item detailing the taxes you have financed certainly does not reduce the fact that you are indeed a customer and a source of the funds that are remitted as taxes by business to government.
I see your burden "de-jure" and raise you a burden de facto.
You pay for a product for your own consumption, you are financing the income and payroll taxes of the producers of that product.
Except for those taxes paid for by other people, including those not living in the United States.
All citizens end up paying taxes some as individual tax payers and all in their roll of consumers through purchases from business' that remit taxes to the United States.
Businesses just want the tax onus taken off them so they can offer other customers overseas more competitive prices -- and I have to pay ALL the tax burden previously shared by all those companies' customers, not just the little part imputable to my purchase.
You are really hung up on busineses aren't you.
You are overlooking the fact that foreign visitors are required to pay the same implicit taxes through their purchases in the United States as well. Anyone citizen or otherwise purchasing U.S. products end up paying US taxes through U.S. business tax remittance. The FairTax NRST is charged against purchases by all foreign visitors and non-citizens purchasing goods and serviced for final consumption in the US are taxed in like manner as citizens of the U.S..
Business merely pass on tax to government from all sources, including you.
This is a hustle, and you know it. That's why you're fighting so hard. You're playing three-card monte with the lurkers, and if they fall for your line, they're screwed.
Once again foundationless assertion about a revenue neutral tax policy. Revenue neutral with the current income/payroll tax law we are required to pay today.
I claim no benefit to you at all, nor to myself.
Inscribed over the gates to Con Man Hell, as a reminder of their sins in life.
Ahh, but the only con man here is the one who claims that business remitting taxes financed by you that you have no measure on is a benefit to you.
It would appear you object to being informed of what your real tax burden is, or is it that you would rather others not be aware of the true cost of government in their lives.
“No one should be judge in his own case. ”
Take your own advice.
I do, I leave it to the reader to judge the respective arguments of the case for keeping an income tax system where as much as half of ones burden or more that is laid by government is behind the corporate veil where it cannot be perceived for the cost on the citizen it is.
To remove perception of the tax burdens of the individual, is to remove the goad which assures accountability of government to the electorate. Federal tax rates are high and government grows ever larger because a majority of the electorate do not perceive proportionately the burden their demand for largesse imposes on the minority of citizens.
The siren call for representation without taxation is the formula that got us where we are at today. The ability to hide or disguise taxation from the view of large sectors of the electorate allows the Congress to get away with the creation of the evergrowing monster that it fosters.
I educate the educatable, not those with minds closed to reality and change.
"There's a sucker born every minute." -- P.T. Barnum.
A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
-George Bernard Shaw
Liberty and freedom have a price, responsibility. If the perception of burden laid by government is interfered with or avoided there are no brakes on the growth of government, the ultimate result is the end of freedom through creeping socialism.
I wish you bad luck with your con, dude. Hope nobody else is taken in by your rattling the tin cup for millionaires.
Oh my such bitterness in that statement. Just a least bit of class envy to be found I note.
Sorry, whatever a millionaire does is of little worry to me, he spends more than me and by that fact alone he will contribute proportionately to the nation's government more effectively under an NRST than any proposed mechanism of taxation of income does today.
I am more concerned to see the end of the taxation of income; a tax system which I and others find to be inherently devisive, manipulative, and reprehensible in a nation that would claim to be founded on the principles of protecting Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Though I do admit to a little bias on the part of rich bachelors.
Rich bachelors should be heavily taxed. It is not fair that some men should be happier than others.
--Oscar Wilde