No Roth. Conventional IRA, both my original and the R/O accounts.
Interesting, then you haven't paid taxes on income going into your Conventional IRS. I
Do I look stupid?
Wouldn't know, this anything like your picture?
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Just as the pay those taxes today in purchasing anything at all by financing the income and payroll taxes that businesses remit to government.
Not to companies they don't patronize.
Irrelavent as one does pay those taxes today through all companies and indirectly their suppliers today from which they do purchase goods or services.
There's a big, fat difference between being contingently billed for it and being legally liable for it in the code.
Really? Under the NRST the seller is legally liable for remitting the tax, just as they are legally liable for remitting federal tax payments today in there business operations all financed by customers purchasing their products. Either case the business acts in proxy for the customer base regardless.
DO YOU PAY YOUR INCOME TAX
AT THE SUPERMARKET?
by D. Sherman Cox J.D. L.L.M. Taxation
Besides, it isn't a given that we pay every dollar corporations pay in tax. Sometimes they have to pay it out of their margins -- they take less, and their shareholders take less.
Sure you can tell yourself that if it makes you feel good. Reality is the tax is financed from the consumer dollar whether or not a business cuts there margins to compete or not. No consumer sales to finance business operations and taxes they remit, no business, no tax.
The argument that we always pay it anyway is sucker-bait.
What ever you want to believe. I'm sure Congress Critters are more than willing to agree with your world view.
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Stop trying my patience with it.
I don't try patience, I just lay out reality.
I will NOT roll over for it.
Yep, once one has been rolled over by government, guess it pretty hard to unroll.
| "a free people that pays slave taxes to its government is willingly training itself for bondage." |
| "As a matter of fact, what the income tax does — and this is the debate that I think we always try to get into in order to let you and him fight, see — and the people of this country are led down a path where the actual control of their resources, which in the end is the control over their will, is handed off to the government." . . . "The government then manipulates that will in order to destroy the freedom of our electoral system through the income tax structure, and we call the resulting slavery a free system." "In point of fact, it is not as the founders understood, and the only way to restore real freedom is to give people back control over the income that they earn so that they won‘t, at the voting booth and in other phony issues, be subject to that manipulation." |
You assume those burdens today, and will continue to do use as long as businesses remit taxes to government at all.
I told y0u about that. Not true.
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Observation of what is readily apparent is merely observation.
Ad hominem. See, there you did it again. Your mother wears army shoes.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclination, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
--John Adams
Trying to pass taxes on to the other guy behind the tree will not make them go away, ....
Sure they do -- if he pays.
Not if you are paying him to do it for you whenever you purchase goods or services from him.
Tax-a-phrenic: Paying $4 interest to a banker to avoid paying $1 tax to the IRS, so the banker can pay the IRS a $1 for you.
Funny you should bring up the subject of making other people pay your taxes. You projecting again?
I am the one who supports a National Retail Sale Tax that collects the tax dollars from me as a customer out right and in the open. Remember? Only person paying taxes, ever, is the individual citizen. In a retail sales tax only system, every citizen is made fully aware of both the fact and the amount that government extracts from him. Just as it should be.