.Like I said above, you want to change the tax code, onus yours. You are the guy who needs support.
I'm not worried about the support for the FairTax act, and whether or not You is entirely Your affair.
I don't have an "agenda" -- you're the guy with the rented bullhorn.
Sorry no rented bullhorn here. Just a news forum that provides means for discussing the news of the day.
>>My interest is in reforming the tax system and the advantages to be gained thereby. Your interest appears to be elsewhere.
Of course it is. I've no interest in shouldering your tax burden just so you can be rich. Or richer.
You already shoulder the tax burden and will continue to do so under either system.
Me? I prefer a tax system in which the federal government is held as far away from my personal financial affairs as possible and out of the business of direct intrusion on the individual that an income tax implements inherently.
Retail sales tax takes the government totally out of my personal financial loop. It is just fine by me for them to collect tax with my purchase of goods and services through businesses remitting to a state tax bureau rather than me on the hook with the federal IRS. Let my state be the buffer between my business and the feds, and a business between my household finances and the state, that is the way I want it.
As far as all your other concerns, not involving tax reform, you have failed to cause me to see them in any way a higher priority that I should set aside support for fundamentally changing the mode federal taxation that has become a threat and oppressive influence on every citizen of the nation.
Patrick Henry, Virginia Ratifying Convention June 12, 1788:
- "the oppression arising from taxation, is not from the amount but, from the mode -- a thorough acquaintance with the condition of the people, is necessary to a just distribution of taxes. The whole wisdom of the science of Government, with respect to taxation, consists in selecting the mode of collection which will best accommodate to the convenience of the people."
"A hand from Washington will be stretched out and placed upon every man's business; the eye of the federal inspector will be in every man's counting house....The law will of necessity have inquisical features, it will provide penalties, it will create complicated machinery. Under it men will be hauled into courts distant from their homes. Heavy fines imposed by distant and unfamiliar tribunals will constantly menace the tax payer. An army of federal inspectors, spies, and detectives will descend upon the state."
-- Virginian House Speaker Richard E. Byrd, 1910, predicting the consequences of an income tax.
The income tax is by no means convenient to the citizen. The administrative bureaucracy that is required to enforce that tax on the individual has no place in a society whose foundational base is the protection of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
[Montesquieu wrote in Spirit of the Laws, XIII,c.14:]
a free people that pays slave taxes to its government is willingly training itself for bondage.
---Alan Keyes 1999
Of course it is. I've no interest in shouldering your tax burden just so you can be rich. Or richer.
Obviously it is clear where you stand, spoken like a true populist. Or is that progressive, or socialist now-a-days? The dictionary of politics changes so much it's hard to keep track of who's who in the scheme of things.
"It's like me in the restaurant: What do I care about extravagance if you're footing the bill?"
Walter Williams
I have no interest in maintaining an income tax just so you can go without shouldering a proportionate burden of the costs of government commensurate with your consumption of this nation's resources. TANSTAAFEL
Have a nice day.
Oh indeed I will have, once an appropriate and Constitutional national consumption tax system is implemented.
- "The income tax in effect makes us vassals to the government – the politicians decide how much income we can keep. No mere “reform” of this slave tax, such as flattening the rate, can correct its fundamental denial of control over our own money. Only the abolition of the income tax itself will restore the basic American principle that our income is both our own money and our own private business - not the government's."
- "Replacing the income tax with a national sales tax would rejuvenate independence and responsibility in our citizens. True economic liberty and moral revival go hand in hand."
- "A national sales tax would also put the American citizen back in control of national fiscal policy. The best way to curtail government spending is to cut taxes, because they can’t spend what they don’t get. But with a sales tax, we could deny funds to a spendthrift government – and give ourselves a tax cut – whenever we make the private choice to alter our spending and saving habits."
| I discussed the importance of abolishing the income tax because of its tendency to form a habit of servility in the souls of a people that accepts it. Servility of soul is bad not only in itself, it is also an open door through which will soon walk the abuses of ambitious government power. Leaders who find themselves with governmental power over a servile people will be quick to conclude that such a people exist to serve them. |
Only, I don't pay yours.
I prefer a tax system in which the federal government is held as far away from my personal financial affairs as possible and out of the business of direct intrusion on the individual that an income tax implements inherently.....that is the way I want it.
Why should/does anyone care what you want? After all, we all have the right to be every bit as selfish as you so obviously are.
And no, I won't pay your business taxes for you.
I have no interest in maintaining an income tax just so you can go without shouldering a proportionate burden of the costs of government commensurate with your consumption of this nation's resources.
Oh, indignation, eh? Well, I prefer to shoulder a proportion of the burden of government commensurate with my income -- having already paid income taxes on my savings. And no, you don't get to con me into paying your business-income taxes out of my hard-earned savings.
Fairer to tax people on what they're getting out of life in the form of income, than on what it takes to sustain life with bread and shelter. Just as it's fairer to tax income than property held (your capital) -- want us to tax your assets, Mr. Businessman? Hmmmm? We can do it that way -- levy your capital -- that would be "fair", wouldn't it?
It would also present the social policy advantage of penalizing storage of wealth, the most regressive kind of economy there is. Just tax total assets (and execute anyone hiding them -- do you have an account in the Caymans, by the way?), get that capital moving again, get that velocity of money up a bit.
Somehow I don't think you'd like that idea. You'd rather tax poor people's pittances they pay for Moon Pies and RC Colas, and jack up the cost of a glass of lemonade, than take an audit from the IRS yourself on your hidden income sources and off-balance-sheet transactions.
Since you've started in on invidious imputations and assumptions and all.
Oh, and by the way -- has anyone mentioned to you that you spam?