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To: pigdog; Conservative til I die
I'm sure you'll have other questions after your reading so just post them on the thread and someone will answer them. Keep in mind, please, that there are a number of vehement FairTax opponents (or status quo defenders) such as Willie Green, Your Nightmare, lewislynn, and even others so please keep that in mind when judging their posts.

Heaven forbid you should read any opposing view points with facts to back them up. That's what really worries the pigs of the threads. That's why they go out of their way to try and discredit us while avoiding the actuall subject of the thread...Don't take my word for it. just look at all of the pigs posts that lack substance.

BTW, have any of the fairtaxers told you the actual rate in sales tax terms is not 23% but 30%? And that the tax is "of the gross payment", which means there would be a federal sales tax on other taxes, fee's, excises and everything else included in a "gross payment"?

Did they tell you for example that "any government" is a "taxable employer" and ALL government employee's (from Presidents to peons, including the military) wages, salaries and benefits would be taxed an additonal 30%, increasing the cost of ALL governments (federal,state, local) by a HUGE amount?...Did they tell you where that money would come from?

Did they tell you that your income/wage would still be required to be reported?

Did they tell you that in order to pay for the phony rebate and tax avoidance the actual rate needed to fund the government is increased by over 27%?

Did they tell you their economist likes the fairtax because it taxes current (already taxed) wealth?...Did they tell you the same economist thinks that homeowners should pay a sales tax on the "imputed rent" (rental value) of their own homes? and that the tax rate should be increased 25%?

Did they tell you the law allows unelected bureaucrats at Social Security to "determine the rate" every year without a vote from Congress or a signature from the President?

Did they tell you prices would drop the amount of the tax (23% or more)?...Did they say where in the law it says businesses would be required to do that?...It doesn't say it and they not only won't but can't, most products aren't even manufactured here to be subject to the income/payroll tax.

This will be the part where they simply call me a liar...

130 posted on 05/15/2005 9:04:00 AM PDT by lewislynn (My other car is an XC90 T6 AWD....)
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To: lewislynn

It's just fine for anyone to read opposing viewpoints, especially with facts to back them up as you say.

Unfortunately for you that leaves yours off the list as most would soon determine when they read the bill and find out that most of your contentions are like passing gas in church. If he also happens to have a calculator handy, you're dead meat.

I won't comment on your "liar" claim (since that would be kicking a guy when he's down) but your "simple" reference certainly fits you to a T since almost everything you offer in your post has been repeatedly shown to be nonsense - normally, several times over.

Someone once said that mental illness could be defined as someone saying and doing he same incorrect/illogical thing over and over hoping that the next time he says it it will come true. Keep it up, looey!


137 posted on 05/15/2005 12:14:10 PM PDT by pigdog
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