Posted on 05/12/2005 7:02:10 AM PDT by alan alda
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Ms Kahn was a good actress in other things, though.
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The Standard Club (both locations) has always blown the Piedmont Driving Club out of the water.
I knew a former Federal LEO, (a pretty high up one too), who told me that when he lived in Atlanta, his next door neighbor was Jewish. He said he was the best neighbor he ever had.
On the other hand he lived in New York at one time and moved into a mostly Jewish neighborhood. When they found out he was from Georgia, they were invariably rude and hostile to him.
that reminds me of the unexpurgeated definition of a horseshow:
"HORSESHOW, n., an event where a lot of pretty horses show their @sses to a bunch of horses@sses, that show horses."
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My great aunt was a member so as a child I wound up over there more than once with a miniature tie on. Blah. East Lake had summer camps a great pool and a golf course. Better.
Funny. My old line Southern mother always taught me the Jews were God's chosen people.
>>Funny. My old line Southern mother always taught me the Jews were God's chosen people.<<
And my grandmother told me the same thing.
I'm not trying to be sweepingly negative - I'm just saying I saw some anti-semitism growing up and there is still some here now.
BTW, as long as I'm on the thread, the Jewish military cemetery in Richmond was a section of the older Hebrew Cemetery on Shockoe Hill. I don't know if that makes it so different from other Jewish cemeteries where soldiers are buried or military cemeteries where Jewish veterans are buried. There were other Jewish military cemetery in the world, in Poland and Ukraine before the Nazis destroyed them.
Historically, where you have one great dividing line separating people, newcomers can be more readily accepted if they fall on the "right" side of the dividing line and make a contribution to that side. You can see the same phenomenon in South Africa, where Jews were quite successful in the early days of the country. Where society is more homogeneous or where it's fragmented along many different lines, each group tends to look out more for its own.
During the civil war there were 150,000 Jews in both the north and south, of that population, only ten percent, or 15,000 resided in the confederacy, versus 135,000 in the north."
There were actually about 25,000 of them in the South then. That brings the ratio to nearly the same on each of the two sides.
From Haven to Home: 350 Years of Jewish Life in America (Library of Congress)
And most of those who enlisted in the South were recent immigrants who were out to prove their worth to their new neighbors."
Below excerpted from: http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:5f2JxEgDAlAJ:www.iahushua.com/JQ/slaves.html+civil+war+enlistment+of+jews+in+the+north+and+south&hl=en
"...Only ten percent of the 150,000 American Jews at the time of the Civil War lived in the South."
You may be forgiven one day...if you're real good.
;>)
"In 1862, the Confederacy conscripted every man who was between the ages of 18 and 35."
And, what does this have to do with the Jewish enlistment rates of north versus south?? Hard to conscript if they were already serving.
It was driven entirely by somebody with a connection to the AJC on the board, who was mad at the school for other reasons. (IIRC, the school didn't admit their kid or the kid of a close friend.) The AJC crusaded over that for months and months and convinced everybody it was some sort of anti-semitic plot.
The school in question is a Presbyterian school, and they were within their rights to hire only Presbyterian or only Christian teachers. The Atlanta Jewish families always sent their kids there for the best available education, but if I sent my kid to the Hebrew Academy, I wouldn't demand that they hire Catholics just because I am one . . .
>> The school in question is a Presbyterian school, and they were within their rights to hire only Presbyterian or only Christian teachers. The Atlanta Jewish families always sent their kids there for the best available education, but if I sent my kid to the Hebrew Academy, I wouldn't demand that they hire Catholics just because I am one . . .<<
The Hebrew Acadamy hires Christians for non-religious subjects.
Point is, I have no right to go over there and demand that they hire Christians. The people (one person in particular) who were involved in doing that at our school were classless, nasty, and exploited a religious issue AND an "in" with the Journal Constitution for their own purposes. If they hadn't been stirring the pot night and day for months, nobody would ever have given two flips.
I did not see any anti-Jewish sentiment while at that school, if you look back I said I saw it mainly in the small towns where my family is from.
At that school there was a French teacher who made a joke about "the new german oven that seats 8" but no one responded and the subject never came up again. I was unaware while I was in school there that they would not hire Jews. But I was aware that several of clubs the kid's family's belonged to (including some of my uncles and cousins) would not permit Jews to join.
So just to clarify, before this gets back to the alumni newsletter, I only saw that one incident (the oven joke) during all my years there. In fact, I mentioned that in my ignorence about Jewish last names I had no idea there a significant Jewish percentage in the student body because there were no visible tensions.
The kid confided in me, I told him that Mr. X was just a jerk and full of it and that God would never break his promises to Abraham.
He was a jerk all round, the school did get rid of him (not specifically for that, they had plenty of reasons) and hired someone much better in his place.
I never heard the one about the French teacher. But you're always going to have individuals who make thoughtless or malicious remarks, nothing you can do about that except call them on it when it happens.
But as for any sort of general or institutionalized anti-Semitism, didn't happen. In fact there was an institutional effort to include the Jewish kids. I was there under the original headmaster, and he always made a big, big point in any public address of emphasizing the connection between Judaism and Christianity. They had a rabbi in to talk to us about Passover in our OT Bible class, a Succoth booth, etc. etc. My daughter's there now, and it's the same deal.
. . . I wouldn't rat out anybody to the alumni news anyway. Talk about classless!
I remember the incident you two are talking about and it was a bunch of BS. The new media exploited it for all it was worth.
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