Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

A Tribe Apart: Jews of the American South
The Jewish Press ^ | Jason Maoz

Posted on 05/12/2005 7:02:10 AM PDT by alan alda

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 121 next last
To: judicial meanz
certainly IS!

free dixie,sw

41 posted on 05/12/2005 2:41:34 PM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Alouette
YEP!

also the largest collection of BLACK CONFEDERATE soldiers buried ANYWHERE is in Atlanta, underneath Graves Hall on the grounds of MOREHOUSE COLLEGE.

those "barefooted,hungry,lads in tattered gray uniforms" died BRAVELY for dixie LIBERTY, during the Battle of Atlanta.

free dixie,sw

42 posted on 05/12/2005 2:44:44 PM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: japaneseghost
you will find this thread INTERESTING!

free dixie,sw

43 posted on 05/12/2005 2:46:39 PM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: stainlessbanner
Damn! This was the topic of last night's discussion at our SCV Camp. Thomas Mandes was the speaker... he wrote and article on this very topic for the Washington Times a few years ago... Check it out!!

Here are some other interesting links:

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/ezekiel.htm

http://www.jewish-history.com/moses_ezekiel.html
44 posted on 05/12/2005 3:03:40 PM PDT by CurlyBill (Democratic Party -- Wimps without ideas whose only issue is to oppose Republicans)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: alan alda
There is a story I've read that in 1830s Savannah, there was a Jewish doctor name Philip Minis and State legislator named John(?) Stark, who got into a real nasty argument. The argument escalated over time, until there was talk of a duel.

One day, Stark and Minis ran into each other on the street. Stark started to reach in to a pocket. Minis, afraid that Stark was going to pull a gun, pulled the gun he had an fired, killing Stark.

Minis was put on trial, but only for manslaughter. Even that, he was found not guilty of.

I can't think of any other part of the world in the 1830s, where a Jew could have killed a Christian in self-defense and not been dragged of and executed.
45 posted on 05/12/2005 3:20:04 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: alan alda

Dixie Bump!


46 posted on 05/12/2005 3:30:27 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: alan alda

ping for later


47 posted on 05/12/2005 4:59:30 PM PDT by Voir Dire
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: familyop

Ping!


48 posted on 05/13/2005 3:36:42 AM PDT by Alia
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: alan alda
Thank you for posting this! WOW More great information I'm learning about the South (which I never learned while in the West). Saw a PBS-type show the other night on the Appalachians. Some of the data blew my (west-coast mind). Stuff that is never included in the usual tirades against the south by liberals. For example, Cherokees emulating the Europeans, ALSO bought and owned slaves to work their plantations. And... Appalachian boys who went but refused to fight for the Union, were hunted down and murdered in front of their families, which is why many to this day refuse to vote "democrat". And that such "northern aggressive action" more than likely lay the groundwork for the Hatfield-McCoy events.

The freespeech, the richness and fullness of history in the South continues to set me free.

49 posted on 05/13/2005 3:41:16 AM PDT by Alia
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: alan alda
One of my college roommates at N.C. State was a Jew from Brooklyn. Aaron taught me a lot about Judiasm and American Jewish culture (language, holidays, dietary customs, etc.) including how to cuss in Yiddish. I do believe Aaron got a real kick out of hearing Yiddish spoken with a Southern accent.

Anyway, at times I amuse my co-workers by breaking into Yiddish. Since I'm not allowed to use profanities in the workplace (dagnab "consideration of others"), I get by with an occasional "kish mine tuches" and "tsu tillas gescheften". (That last one is a Heinz-Kerry favorite.)

After my supervisor called me a "schmuck", however, I had to take him aside and explain what he REALLY called me. I let him know I wasn't offended (I've been called a lot worse, trust me), but saying that to the wrong person could result in getting his butt kicked.

Gey gezunterheyt, y'all.

:-)

50 posted on 05/13/2005 5:02:41 AM PDT by Jonah Hex (Go. Hunt. Kill Skuls.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jonah Hex

I had the same experience as you did in college with Jewish friends! They taught me a bit if Yiddish and turned me on to Leo Rosten and similar authors. I consider those friendships to have been a gift and a blessing. To this day, when I get ticked off, I'll sprinkle Yiddish words in Southern Expressions. Both Yiddish and Southern English are colorful, expressive, and flavorful.


51 posted on 05/13/2005 5:14:24 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: Jonah Hex
rotflmRao!

fyi, my first college roommate was an "African Jew", who spoke fluent LADINO.(his parents emigrated to the USA in the 1930s, fleeing the Italian Fascists)

the air in the room would turn BLUE when he was angered about something.

ladino "cuss words" come in REALLY handy at times, too as few Americans understand them. lol.

also, his mom sent us LOTS of Mediterranean goodies as "care packages", when he would return from a weekend at home.

i frequently wished he'd get homesick more often! (btw, have you ever had Kosher PIZZA?????. MMM-MMMMMMM-GOOD!)

free dixie,sw

52 posted on 05/13/2005 8:29:53 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: stand watie
I'll never forget the first time I saw "Blazing Saddles". Aaron,a few of the guys on the hall, and I saw it at the Student Union theater. Aaron completely lost it when Lili Von Shtupp (the late great Madeline Khan, may she rest in peace) was introduced. When he finally stopped laughing/crying, we got him to explain the joke to us.

I still break into a laugh during her character bits.

:-)

53 posted on 05/13/2005 10:34:57 AM PDT by Jonah Hex (Go. Hunt. Kill Skuls.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: alan alda; Alia; SJackson

It was an interesting article--easy reading. I noticed, though, that Jason, while mentioning early American history, didn't mention the various circumstances that sent the Sephardim and the Ashkenazim to America. He didn't write anything about the Sephardim at all.

Given so many personal/regional/ethnic situations on writings of history, a very positive piece is good, once in a while, to offset so many write-ups that concentrate on the negative. I regret, though, that objective documentation including tasty and bitter facts is rare.

And yes, Alia, character--whether optimism, avoidances of certain topics or pessimism--is really pronounced from some in the "South," which "nation" seems to be flowing a little up and down the east coast, these days. ..."Maryland?" ..."Delaware?" LOL!


54 posted on 05/13/2005 1:50:32 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ursus arctos horribilis
"During the Great Confederate War southern Jews enlisted at a many fold rate higher than northern Jews."

...don't know if I'd go that far with it.

"Sergeant-Major Abraham Cohn, one of the 9,000 Jews who fought for the Union (some 2,000 Jews fought for the South),..." [RMC Mark S. Starin, USNR (Ret.), Post 100, Jewish War Veterans of the USA, Sergeant-Major Abraham Cohn: Jewish-American Civil War Hero, jewish-history.com . http://www.jewish-history.com/sergeant_cohn.html)


55 posted on 05/13/2005 3:10:34 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Alia; stand watie; AnAmericanMother
The freespeech, the richness and fullness of history in the South continues to set me free.

I work with and have several clients that are old Southern Jews. Talk about draaawwwlls. They are excellent deer and bird hunters, poker players and love to get out and crawl around the bars at night. Come to think of it, they're...good 'ol boys.

56 posted on 05/13/2005 3:33:54 PM PDT by groanup (http://fairtax.org)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: alan alda; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; Abbeville Conservative; ...
Shalom yall!

South Carolina Ping

Add me to the ping list. Remove me from the ping list.

57 posted on 05/13/2005 5:17:53 PM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: judicial meanz
The Jewish Cemetery at Newport

How strange it seems! These Hebrews in their graves,
Close by the street of this fair seaport town,
Silent beside the never-silent waves,
At rest in all this moving up and down!

The trees are white with dust, that o'er their sleep
Wave their broad curtains in the south-wind's breath,
While underneath these leafy tents they keep
The long, mysterious Exodus of Death.

And these sepulchral stones, so old and brown,
That pave with level flags their burial-place,
Seem like the tablets of the Law, thrown down
And broken by Moses at the mountain's base.

The very names recorded here are strange,
Of foreign accent, and of different climes.
Alvares and Rivera interchange
With Abraham and Jacob of old times.

"Blessed be God! for he created Death!"
The mourners said, "and Death is rest and peace;"
Then added, in the certainty of faith,
"And giveth Life that nevermore shall cease."

Closed are the portals of their Synagogue,
No Psalms of David now the silence break,
No Rabbi reads the ancient Decalogue
In the grand dialect the Prophets spake.

Gone are the living, but the dead remain,
And not neglected; for a hand unseen,
Scattering its bounty, like a summer rain,
Still keeps their graves and their remembrance green.

How came they here? What burst of Christian hate,
What persecution, merciless and blind,
Drove o'er the sea -- that desert desolate --
These Ishmaels and Hagars of mankind?

They lived in narrow streets and lanes obscure,
Ghetto and Judenstrass, in mirk and mire;
Taught in the school of patience to endure
The life of anguish and the death of fire.

All their lives long, with the unleavened bread
And bitter herbs of exile and its fears,
The wasting famine of the heart they fed,
And slaked its thirst with marah of their tears.

Anathema maranatha! was the cry
That rang from town to town, from street to street;
At every gate the accursed Mordecai
Was mocked and jeered, and spurned by Christian feet.

Pride and humiliation hand in hand
Walked with them through the world where'er they went;
Trampled and beaten were they as the sand,
And yet unshaken as the continent.

For in the background figures vague and vast
Of patriarchs and of prophets rose sublime,
And all the great traditions of the Past
They saw reflected in the coming time.

And thus forever with reverted look
The mystic volume of the world they read,
Spelling it backward, like a Hebrew book,
Till life became a Legend of the Dead.

But ah! what once has been shall be no more!
The groaning earth in travail and in pain
Brings forth its races, but does not restore,
And the dead nations never rise again.

- H.W. Longfellow, 1854

58 posted on 05/13/2005 5:38:46 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: groanup
The old-time Atlanta Jewish families go as far back as any Anglos or Scotch-Irish around here.

For years the hoity-toitys up at the Piedmont Driving Club would not admit Jews, so they said the heck with them and started the Standard Club (now CNN's administration building, BTW). The PDC has horses' heads up on the gables of the buildings, and some of my Jewish friends always said, "It's the wrong end of the horse."

I can swear a little in Yiddish myself . . . comes in handy on occasion.

59 posted on 05/13/2005 5:42:18 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: familyop

""During the Great Confederate War southern Jews enlisted at a many fold rate higher than northern Jews."

...don't know if I'd go that far with it.

"Sergeant-Major Abraham Cohn, one of the 9,000 Jews who fought for the Union (some 2,000 Jews fought for the South),..." [RMC Mark S. Starin, USNR (Ret.), Post 100, Jewish War Veterans of the USA, Sergeant-Major Abraham Cohn: Jewish-American Civil War Hero, jewish-history.com . http://www.jewish-history.com/sergeant_cohn.html)"

During the civil war there were 150,000 Jews in both the north and south, of that population, only ten percent, or 15,000 resided in the confederacy, versus 135,000 in the north. In the south Jews enlisted overwhelmingly to fight for their country, not so in the north, there they were for the most part conscripted. (read drafted)


60 posted on 05/13/2005 5:59:39 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 121 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson