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To: texasflower
The BAD BEHAVIOR that I am talking about it the nastiness of many, many freepers here that had no problem saying horrible things to fellow freepers.

The support for her murder is okay. Nastiness is unforgivable. I get it.

115 posted on 05/13/2005 6:18:05 PM PDT by bjs1779 ("It was wrong to kill her. No other "facts" matter".-JimRobinson)
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To: bjs1779

Nobody said they supported her murder moron.


116 posted on 05/13/2005 6:23:42 PM PDT by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: bjs1779

I just don't understand how you people can be so idiotic about this. Any time anyone says that the woman didn't actually say words, you accuse them of supporting murdering her.

That is one of most ignorant statements I have ever heard.

Grow up.


117 posted on 05/13/2005 6:25:11 PM PDT by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: bjs1779
No Barb, I haven't said to anyone what my true feelings are about this. As I said, my feelings are extremely complicated and they include lots of different experiences, religious beliefs, personal experiences not only in marriage, but also in my medical experience, familial experiences, death and life. Among other factors.

VERY complicated. And not fully expressed here on purpose. So, I could be as angry as you are, or not. I could support any of the significant people involved, or not. I could support the judges or not. I may think the right thing was done or not.

My willingness to express a few things here and there is not an indicator of my feelings about this. There is nothing at all contradictory in anything you posted from my previous comments.

Although I am a bit concerned about your willingness to go through all of those posts, just to try and "trap" someone that you don't even know. And then for it to be an entire waste of your time, because you still do NOT know what I think.

You can even look at my profile page and see one of the personal experiences that I have that affect the way I feel about the Terri case, BUT you STILL WILL NOT KNOW what I think.

Now on to your examples which make you think you know what I think.

1. The experience with that woman who had the stroke is still one of my most treasured memories. I still talk to patients just like I did with her. My love for my patients and people with disabilities is the same as it always was. Nothing has changed.

I still believe that Terri knew her mother. Nothing has changed about that at all. That still doesn't mean the woman was able to form words.

If you will recall, that is the ONLY thing I said about this. I said nothing about thinking she should die because she couldn't speak. There was NOTHING of the sort said. ALL I said was she couldn't form words. Period.

2. I still feel like Clinton or any former president and even any former first lady, should be well taken care of for life, regardless of cost. This is also completely consistent with my current feelings about this. NEVER did I say one word about the cost of Terri's care and as a taxpayer, I wouldn't have had a problem keeping her on the public care system forever.

3. "By November you were singing a completely different tune". What in the hell are you talking about? It is curious that you didn't bother to include a context for that one. Since I don't know what we were discussing, then I don't care to comment. Post the link and I'll be happy to show you how that doesn't contradict my current feelings also.

I'm well known for standing by my posts and my principles, so there is NOT going to be anything "prophetic" in that post.

My suggestion is that you give up the prophecy thing, because you really aren't good at it.

4. That list you are saying that I "practically begged to be on" was in response to the hatefulness that those of you militants were subjecting the rest of us to. JUST like this time and this thread. You will never find anything that says I supported Terri's death. NOTHING.

You will find that I accepted the fact that the law is what it is and no matter how the law might have failed Terri, the appellate judges had to uphold the law as written. That DOES NOT mean I support that particular law.

You will also find that I accepted the fact that Terri was going to die and felt that the hatefulness really needed to stop. My opinion of that HAS NOT CHANGED ONE BIT. Which is EXACTLY why I was upset at your "rejoicing" remark to the other poster.

He NEVER said that. NOT EVEN CLOSE, but you still accused him of being happy that she was dead. That was a completely unwarranted cheap shot by you and it was wrong and nasty in tone and A COMPLETE LIE.

I did not participate in any sort of drinking games or any of the other nonsense that you brought up. I have the courage to say what I think, IF it is pertinent or appropriate.

So, that crap about letting others speak for me is a charge that is completely false. IF I DIDN'T SAY IT THEN YOU CAN NOT ATTRIBUTE IT TO ME.

You accuse me of describing disabled people in subhuman terms. THAT IS A FILTHY LIE.

For your information, I happen to be a disabled person now, following a very serious car accident a couple of years ago.

I also spent every single summer of my teenage years as a volunteer for the muscular dystrophy foundation, living and working with disabled children. I would have continued to do it if they allowed adults to participate in that program.

So that accusation of yours, once again, IS A FILTHY NASTY LIE AND YOU SHOULD BE COMPLETELY ASHAMED OF THAT.

I gave NO "reasons for exterminating" disabled people. That is also a lie.

I have not changed one single bit. I did say that it was time to let Terri go with respect once it became clear that there was no hope. That is the ultimate respect for Terri. Having her every bowel movement and urination discussed on international TV, letting children get arrested, showing those pictures of that poor woman after years of neglect, in a way that no woman would want to be seen is disrespectful to Terri.

Praying for Terri to have a peaceful passing does not mean I wanted Terri to die. But for you guys to continually pray for more days for Terri, even though the legal process had run it's course, was not respectful or loving for her.

You guys talked about the agony she must be going through, yet prayed for her to live longer in that agony. Tell me which one of us actually, truly loved Terri?

Me and some of the others who wanted her to go to Jesus in peace, once it was clear that nothing more could be done?

Or your camp who got hysterical about the very things that would make her more comfortable like morphine? Your camp who wanted her to linger in agony?

NO, Barb, my love for disabled people was absolutely evident in my feeling that all the negativity surrounding her and the lingering in an agonizing state was wrong. It was love for Terri that caused me to say those things.

It was selfish of you guys to try and keep her and the situation in such turmoil.

It was dreadfully selfish of you guys to say that you didn't care about the other patients and family members of the hospice. It was hateful and dreadfully selfish of your camp to not care about the poor young woman who ran to the hospice in her pajamas in order to be with her dying grandfather, but couldn't make it because the protesters had caused everyone to be strip searched before getting to the patients.

You didn't care about her or any of the other families and dying patients.

That was inhuman in my opinion and it showed that the rights of the sick and disabled wasn't your true cause at all.

Think about it Barb. Think about it all of you others who want to try and bash me.

Your behavior was disgraceful during this and it is disgraceful now.
119 posted on 05/13/2005 7:15:45 PM PDT by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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