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To: Semper
Very sort of . . . pantheistic, or something.

I said "spiritually," as in spiritually thinking. I didn't make any restrictions on spirit. It depends on which definition you are using, actually--each individual human spirit or spirit in general. I certainly never said it makes you more spiritual to believe that Adam and Eve were the "source of life." In fact, they weren't the "source of life." Stop putting words in my mouth.

It is only logical that there had to be a first creature to recognize that there is a God, unless by coincidence, after how many thousands of millennia, it simultaneously occured to two people at the same instant. The Bible seems to be telling us that that isn't so, however. The Bible tells us there was a first man.

Anyway, my main point was let's stop bickering about trivia and focus on the beautiful truth that we are all in the same family. Physically and spiritually. We didn't evolve in separate regions, and we have, in a certain sense, one megaculture, unless we were raised by wolves.

154 posted on 05/12/2005 6:27:12 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand
Very sort of . . . pantheistic...

No. Pantheism puts God in the human or material realm and I believe that God is only of the Spiritual realm. I believe that spirituality is the real nature of existence. This human, material world is not perfect therefore not the result of God's creation since God is by nature, perfect. This human world is the result of nonspiritual consciousness and will eventually pass away. God's creation is eternal and perfect - it has always been and always will be. In the King James version of the Bible, there are two descriptions of creation, the spiritual first and then the material (after a mist arose and covered the face of the earth). Adam and Eve are introduced in the second description of creation. Both accounts are allegorical. Both accounts are attempts to describe concepts that are obviously still complex enough that most people don't understand them.

It is only logical that there had to be a first creature to recognize that there is a God..

How is that logical? God is infinite, without limit, without beginning or end. A "first creature" implies a beginning and therefore a limit. If we are created in the image and likeness of God as the Bible says, then we also must be without beginning or end. Since God is spiritual, we must also be spiritual. We humans are stuck in the "deadly embrace" of a state of consciousness based upon a false premise (that we can exist separate and different from our Source, God). Jesus Christ brought the truth of existence to this human world and gave us the opportunity to break out of the human "deadly embrace" which enslaves the human race. We haven't done a very good job of following His instructions; but it is inevitable that we will at some point - when our minds are freed from human superstition.

155 posted on 05/13/2005 10:37:41 PM PDT by Semper
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