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To: sixmil
The question is why are we borrowing money to have people supply our demands rather than doing it ourselves like we used to?

Of the 300 million people in this country, how many do you suppose are in the labor force? Do you really believe that Americans would want to drop their high-paying service jobs and take up the lower-paying manufacturing ones so that more of the stuff we consumed would be made in the U.S.? That would be a painful and unwise transition. Mr. Hand (Fast Times At Ridgemont High) was convinced that everyone was on dope; maybe he was right!

You are selling off your assets to buy goods you no longer produce. That sounds more like someone trying to shore up their finances after losing their source of income.

And that's always been the struggle between savers and spenders - forgoing current consumption in order to consume more in the future; and vice versa.

Let's be honest, you just made that up.

No, I did not! Foreign central bankers are fueling our economic expansion. If (when?) we become the savers and they the consumers (running surpluses), we'll be fueling their expansions.

It's pretty clear how our trade partners are benefiting, but how are we? Really, if this is such a great idea, you shouldn't be getting so flustered trying to show that.

Living standards (this is the broken record thing again!) Look at how much aggregate wealth is held by Americans and how much is held by the rest of the world, even when repayment of debt (to foreign accounts. Not U.S liabilities to its own people in entitlement programs) is factored in. Our total annual GDP is what percentage of the worlds GDP? (17% I think) And we do it with what proportion of the world's population? (5%) Do pessimists ever see this stuff or does it not mean much?

Still no answer.

I'd prefer to maintain a deficit that stayed at some reasonable percentage of our GDP. However, nothing is ever static and will come back full circle. Times are better during deficit though! Would you like to see the evidence of that as well?

Never said you could. But note that it is your side that is talking about forcing China to unpeg its currency.

It would be nice if China would float but there are disadvantages for them to do it...of course there's many disadvantages to them pegging (stuff that no one discusses) too! Remember, TANSTAAFL.

Like I said, trade deficits only matter when they are improving, otherwise they are meaningless, ie I win.

Depends on how you look at it. There's benefits to being in deficit and surplus. I'll ping you on a post letter when I can find it. Make sure you comment on it.

No, I have read the adult version of Ricardo...

And you gleaned nothing? What was it that you read?

52 posted on 05/13/2005 4:00:35 AM PDT by LowCountryJoe (50 states, and their various laws, will serve 'we, the people' better than just one LARGE state can)
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To: LowCountryJoe

Service jobs pay more than manufacturing??


53 posted on 05/13/2005 7:09:44 AM PDT by superiorslots
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