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To: Doctor Stochastic
"Some former GOP members believe that the Kansas fundamentalist would rather ally with Islamic terrorists rather than scientists."

That's quite a statement. Care to say which GOP members you are talking about so we could ask them? Or is it the old "anonymous sources" routine? You seem to be blowing this issue way out of proportion. What are you so afraid of?
150 posted on 05/10/2005 8:06:37 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
Some former GOP members believe that the Kansas fundamentalist would rather ally with Islamic terrorists rather than scientists.

That statement will have legs within the Democratic base. The stupidity of the Kansas school board handed them this gem.

It certianly is an unjustified conclusion. But it WILL be successfully sold to the left.

156 posted on 05/10/2005 8:12:56 AM PDT by narby
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To: mlc9852
Care to say which GOP members...

No. I don't mention names in a public forum. They are just people who used to vote GOP but now vote Democrat or not at all; similarly with their contributions.

What are you so afraid of?

Nothing. I survived one Clinton; I'll survive the next.

174 posted on 05/10/2005 8:53:09 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: mlc9852; Doctor Stochastic
>"Some former GOP members believe that the Kansas fundamentalist would rather ally with Islamic terrorists rather than scientists."

That's quite a statement. Care to say which GOP members you are talking about so we could ask them? Or is it the old "anonymous sources" routine? You seem to be blowing this issue way out of proportion. What are you so afraid of?

Not "terrorists" technically, but Islamic fundamentalists certainly.

Kansas taxpayers are footing the bill to bring the Istanbul resident [Mustafa Akyol] to Topeka as one of 23 witnesses scheduled to testify this week before a subcommittee of the Kansas State School Board in its unorthodox "trial" over science teaching standards. (Fortunately, Akyol happens to be in Washington, D.C., on other business, so Kansans are paying only to bring him across the country, not all the way from Turkey.)

Born in 1972, Akyol has a master's degree in history and writes a column for a newspaper in Istanbul. He also has identified himself as a spokesman for the murky Bilim Arastirma Vakfi, a group with an innocuous-sounding name -- it means "Science Research Foundation" -- but a nasty reputation.

Said to have started as a religious cult that preyed on wealthy members of Turkish society, the Bilim Arastirma Vakfi has appeared in lurid media tales about sex rings, a blackmail prosecution and speculation about its charismatic leader, a man named Adnan Oktar. But if BAV's notoriety has been burnished by a sensationalist Turkish media, the secretive group has earned its reputation as a prodigious publisher of inexpensive ideological paperbacks. BAV has put out hundreds of titles written by "Harun Yahya" (a pseudonym) on various topics, but most of them are Islamic-based attacks on the theory of evolution.

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"It's hopeless here," Sayin says. "I've been fighting with these guys for six years, and it's come to nothing." As a result of the BAV campaign and other efforts to denounce evolution, he adds, most members of Turkey's parliament today not only discount evolution but consider it a hoax. "Now creationism is in [high school] biology books," Sayin says. "Evolution is presented [by BAV] as a conspiracy of the Jewish and American imperialists to promote new world order and fascist motives ... and the majority of the people believe it."

The secret to BAV's success is the huge popularity of the Harun Yahya books, says a professor closer to home, Truman State University physicist Taner Edis, who was born in Turkey. "They're fairly lavishly produced, on good-quality paper with full-color illustrations all over the place," he says. "They're trying to compete with any sort of science publication you can find in the Western world. And in a place like Turkey, Yahya books look considerably better-published than most scientific publications."

The books are slick, but BAV has had plenty of help. Sayin says that creationism in Turkey got key support in the 1980s and 1990s from American creationist organizations, and Edis points out that BAV's Yahya books resemble the same sorts of works put out by California's Institute for Creation Research. Except in Yahya's books, it's Allah that's doing the creating.

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Harris included Akyol on a list of witnesses whom he wanted brought in to testify on behalf of intelligent design in this week's hearings.

[UMKC Professor William] HarrisHarris says he hasn't heard of BAV. Told of the group's harassment of bioligists in Turkey and evolution's defeat there, he replies, "Great! Congratulations! I mean, that is the point, once people start to see science more objectively."
-- pitch.com - What a triumphant journey awaits Mustafa Akyol.
373 posted on 05/10/2005 12:29:11 PM PDT by dread78645 (Sarcasm tags are for wusses.)
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