Posted on 05/09/2005 5:49:33 AM PDT by FNU LNU
Where to you live that health insurance cost sooo little?
Ours cost us 683/mo to cover both of us with 5200/yrly deductible.
Our Directv cost is only 56/mo.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ibd/050428/issues.html?.v=1
Another place, similar article. Points the fact that most uninsured are illegal aliens and their children.
I'd like to know also. When my husband was laid off, Cobra plan was more than $1,000.00 per month for our family.
The joke is that that was $1,000.00 and unemployment only paid $900.00 per month.
Those were some scary times.
Look into Assurant Health. Ours cover my husband and myself at 687/mo.. with 5200/yr deductible and up to 8Mil major medical.
That's an interesting story. I wonder why the mother didn't sign her daughter up for the government contractor's health insurance after she was diagnosed? As far as I'm aware, employer offered insurance isn't restricted by pre-existing conditions. (or maybe that's only applicable to the worker)
The Insurance companys are parasites on the economy and the federal government(democrat wise) is JEALOUS... Since the insurance companys own most everything in the U.S. needless to say the democrat politicians are jealous..
You're correct. Late last year, my mother became quite ill. She'd been working and had had insurance until last summer, but her employer took her off the schedule for two weeks (mix-up) and she lost it. They said that she had to start over and wait another 6 months for her insurance to kick in again. Then she became ill. The situation got worse and worse (she lost 40 pounds in that time) and finally she collapsed. She found a doctor who was willing to accept payments of $1 a month, but the problems came with the tests. She needed an abdominal MRI, blood tests, colonoscopy, gastroscopy, liver biopsy, etc. She finally came down here and my husband and I took her in. Less than a week after she got here she ended up in the hospital for almost another week. Nearly died. Right now, we're still in the diagnostic phase.
But there is *NO WAY* she could qualify for affordable insurance right now and she cannot collect disability until she gets a confirmed diagnosis. We're still hoping that this is something that can be FIXED so she can get back to work.
Now we have another situation. My son is a Type 1 diabetic. He's covered by our insurance until he's 23 (as long as he's in college full time), but after that, he's on his own. From what I hear from the other parents of diabetics, this will be a BIG problem. We're not just taking about an expensive plan, we're talking about even finding a plan that will accept him. Not good.
I, too, am against a socialist solution, but I can't think of ANY solution that doesn't require intervention by the government. I'd love another way.
Hey! Do have any suggestions about what to do with a 20 year old type 1 diabetic??
Fish oils benefit women with diabetes Study participants completed detailed food frequency questionnaires in 1980, 1984, 1986, 1990 and 1994. The researchers noted a strong correlation between the risk of CHD and fish intake. Women who consumed fish once a week had a 40% lower risk of CHD than did women who consumed fish less than once per month. Eating fish 5 times per week reduced CHD risk by 64% and overall mortality by 52%. Only dark-meat fish (mackerel, salmon, sardines, bluefish, and swordfish) and shrimp, lobster and scallops showed a beneficial effect. The researchers also calculated the amount of fish oils (eicosapentaenoic acid and docosahexaenoic acid) obtained from the diet and found that study participants with an average intake of just 250 mg/day had a 31% reduction in CHD and a 37% reduction in death from all causes compared to participants with a low (40 mg or less) daily intake. The researchers note that fish oil supplementation does not impair glycemic control and suggest that regular fish consumption should be considered as an integral part of a healthy diet for the management of diabetes. Editor's comment: Swordfish, bluefish and king mackerel have high levels of mercury or methyl mercury and should not be eaten regularly, if at all. Fish oil supplementation is safe for diabetics Medical researchers at the Hotel-Dieu hospital now report the results of a study designed to investigate these concerns. The study involved 10 men with type II diabetes (average age of 54 years). The men were randomized into two groups in the double-blind crossover study. Group 1 supplemented with 6 grams/day of fish oils (containing 320 mg of eicosapentaenoic acid [EPA] and 215 mg of docosahexaenoic acid [DHA]) for two months while group 2 supplemented with 6 grams/day of sunflower oil (containing 65% linoleic acid). At the end of the two months all participants went through a 2-month wash-out period and group 1 was then assigned to supplement with sunflower oil while group 2 was given fish oil supplements. All participants maintained their regular diet (55% carbohydrates, 15% protein, and 30% fat) and continued with their medications throughout the study except for cholesterol-lowering drugs which were discontinued 2 months before the start of the trial. The researchers noted a considerable increase in both EPA and DHA content in blood plasma phospholipids and in red blood cell membranes after two months on the fish oil supplements. Triglyceride levels and the level of plasma lipoprotein(a) were both significantly lowered following fish oil supplementation. No adverse effects on glucose control were observed; there was a small increase in the LDL level, but this was compensated for by a similar increase in the HDL (high-density lipoprotein) level so that the important LDL/HDL ratio remained unchanged. The researchers conclude that fish oil supplementation is effective in lowering triglyceride levels in type II diabetics and has not adverse effects on glycemic control or overall cholesterol levels. Fish oils and fiber benefit diabetics Diabetics may benefit from fish oil supplementation The researchers concluded that fish oil supplementation induced a significant decrease in triglyceride concentrations particularly in the level of very-low-density lipoprotein (VLDL) triglycerides (a reduction of 45%). There was also a significant decrease in VLDL cholesterol levels (47% drop) and a 14% increase in LDL cholesterol. There was no significant change in blood glucose control and, contrary to expectations, no significant improvement in insulin resistance despite the fact that red blood cell levels of EPA and DHA increased significantly. The researchers conclude that long-term fish oil supplementation lowers triglyceride levels in NIDDM patients without adversely affecting blood glucose control. NOTE: This study was partially funded by Pharmacia, Farmitalia Carlo Erba, Milan, Italy. Diabetes and fish oil supplementation Researchers at the University of Alberta have just released the results of a new study aimed at evaluating the overall effects of fish oil supplementation in type II diabetics. Eleven subjects with non-insulin- requiring type II diabetes took part in the randomized, double-blind, crossover study. All participants underwent a 3-month run-in period during which they supplemented with olive oil capsules (placebo). They were then randomized into two groups with one group supplementing with fish oil capsules (about 2.0 grams/day) and the other group supplementing with flax seed oil capsules. After 3 months the participants underwent a crossover to the alternative oil for a final 3 months of supplementation. All study participants had acceptable blood levels of total cholesterol, triglycerides, high density lipoproteins, low density lipoproteins, and low density triglycerides prior to initiating supplementation with fish oil or flax seed oil. Supplementation did not change these levels except in the case of triglycerides which were markedly reduced after fish oil supplementation. Glycemic control was not adversely affected by supplementation with either oil and there was a trend towards decreased insulin sensitivity in the group taking fish oils. The researchers conclude that fish oil supplementation is safe in type II diabetes and can help ameliorate cardiovascular disease risk factors such as high triglyceride levels. They also conclude that flax seed oil supplementation, while having no adverse effects, is not of significant benefit in type II diabetes. NOTE: This study was partially funded by the Canadian Dairy Bureau. Fish oils recommended for diabetes and hypertension At the end of the test period the average (mean) systolic blood pressure had dropped by 4.4 mm Hg and the diastolic pressure by 3.2 mm Hg in the fish oil group. The average blood pressure in the control group did not change. The researchers also found that plasma triglyceride and VLDL levels in the fish oil group decreased significantly (by about 9 per cent) while they increased significantly (by about 12 per cent) in the control group. There were no changes in total or low-density-lipoprotein levels in either group. Extensive tests (oral glucose tolerance, hyperglycemic and hyperinsulemic clamps) were done to evaluate the effect of fish oil supplementation on glucose control. No adverse effects were found. An editorial accompanying the research report concludes that fish or fish oil is useful in the prevention of vascular disease in diabetics. Patients with diabetes should eat fish two to three times a week or, as an alternative, supplement with two to three one gram capsules of fish oil per day. Fish oil supplementation recommended for type II diabetics Their study involved 40 patients with non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus (NIDDM) who had abnormally high blood plasma levels of one or more of the following lipids: total cholesterol (greater than 5.17 mmol/L), LDL cholesterol (greater than 3.36 mmol/L), or triglycerides (greater than 6.47 mmol/L). After a four-week baseline phase during which cholesterol levels, weight, blood pressure, and diabetes control were assessed every two weeks the participants were randomly assigned to one of four groups - daily dose of 9 grams of corn oil (57% linoleic acid), 18 grams of corn oil, 9 grams of fish oil (29% EPA and 27% DHA), and 18 grams of fish oil. All participants were assessed every two weeks during the 12- week supplementation period. A significant reduction in the levels of very-low-density lipoproteins, triglycerides and very-low-density triglycerides was observed among the participants supplementing with fish oils at both the 6-week and 12-week mark. There were no significant differences in the effect of 9 grams/day versus 18 grams/day supplementation. The level of LDL cholesterol increased temporarily at the 6-week mark, but this effect was no longer present at the 12-week examination. Neither fish oil nor corn oil supplementation produced any significant changes (over baseline values) in total cholesterol levels, HDL cholesterol levels, fasting plasma glucose, weight or blood pressure. A small increase in VLDL cholesterol was noted in the corn oil group at the end of the experiment. The researchers conclude that fish oil supplementation is useful in lowering triglycerides in diabetics with excessive levels and has no deleterious effect on glycemic control. |
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Can't anyone remember when there were fewer regulations and lawsuits, a Doctor could practice medicine instead of having to spend so much time and money just to cover his backside. Hospitals are becoming monopolies run my massive "non-profits" that gouge patients two and three times what fair market value would be if there was still a fair market.
Golden Rule, $10,000 deductible family plan, 100% after copay,
$ 193 per month where I live. It will differ per state somewhat depending on state insurance requirements. Check it out. (And no, I don't get a commission for this, in case you're wondering !)
By the time open season came around, she had already quit her job. The cancer was severe and they child was/is very ill. The mom was needed to shuffle her daughter back and forth to New York (on angel flights) Since she had never signed up, she wasn't eligible for COBRA, not that they could have afforded it either. I have no idea about pre-existing conditions, although I have to imagine it would have been a factor.
Yes, it was and is sad.
You hit the nail on the head! While the insured are paying this kind of money, the poor are on Medicaid. They (Uncle Sam) pay even more because nobody is watching the bills. Your tax money at work. Imagine the billions spent this way! We are all being fleeced and nobody knows because the insured don't know how much they are being charged and the poor don't care.
The bottom line is that there is no way to justify such unconscionable fees. It is not about the insurance
Why do so few of you see this?
Yeah, right. You have just lost all credibility
Couldn't agree with you more. Insurance just covers up the problem. A few years ago a cousin of mine had emergency abdominal surgery in the middle of the night, and went home the afternoon of the 2nd day. Her total bill - doctor, hospital, drugs, etc - from the hospital was $ 56,000. Absolutely amazing - probably costs double that today. She complained quite voiciferously to the hospital and they told her that because she had insurance, her fees were paying for some costs for the people who don't have insurance who still get service at this hospital. Unbelievable.
Where are the great Republican minds figuring out how to solve this? I am serious. I would like to hear a rational discussion of how to lower health care costs from someone who was not afraid of whose oxes he gored.
Seems Bush's only idea is to promote medical savings accounts, which overlooks the fact that a person can only save so much, and medical crises often can tap that out in the first few days of treatment. You can save and save and save, but if the cost is too astronomical, you can never save enough. He needs to the extraordinary inflation of medical costs, if for no other reason than his Medicare Reform will soon be too expensive for the world's richest country to afford.
Get the government out of the healthcare business - no medicaid, no medicare, no state insurance regulations on mandatory coverage. Secondly, tax all people equally for health insurance - if their employer pays it, they should be taxed on it the same as they are for ordinary income, like people without employer-paid insurance do.
Change the laws so there is no recovery of "pain and suffering" or "punitive awards", only recovery of medical expenses and living costs if disabled by the doctor's incompetence. Put common sense back into the prenatal care and birthing of babies - there really can be bad outcomes for good people.
Maybe when the costs are known to all people, we will stop using health care indiscriminately. Make people pay cash to the doctors, and submit their own claim forms to the insurance company. We'll stop going to the emergency room for the common cold. Doctors won't need to wait 2-3 months for insurance reimbursement and won't need to pay several people per office to process their insurance forms, thus cutting a lot of costs.
Quote: Hey! Do have any suggestions about what to do with a 20 year old type 1 diabetic??
Marie, I presume your questions relates on how to obtain coverage. Most individual plans will decline people with diabetes. If your child is on your plan as a dependent they can usually stay on your group plan if they are a full time student to age 23 or 25 depending on what state you reside.
If the day comes when they have to come off make sure your child goes onto a cobra individidual plan or some Hipaa continuation plan. I know it's expensive but having coverage is critical with somone with diabetes. Under federal law if somone has more than a 62 day lapse of coverage they will have a 12 month pre-existing condition clause with their new health insurance. This is the general rule. Some states have better guidelines and some insurance group plans are more generous.
The situation right now with health insurance is very bad. Not just high premiums but pre-ex problems etc.
Everything I have been reading says if the states or fed gov't do somthing as a first move about health care it will be for people in your childs case.
Feel free to privately email if you have specific questions. I'll help you out as best I can.
Dave
"Can't anyone remember when there were fewer regulations and lawsuits, a Doctor could practice medicine instead of having to spend so much time and money just to cover his backside..."
Oh I can. I worked in a teaching hospital long ago. I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the hospitals though. You might want to start with Medicare, you know, that government subsidized health policy that started all the escalation. The next you might want to cite is lawyers. The third is the fact that people have been trained to run to the doctor for every single, little thing.
And yes, there was health insurance in the 30s, 40s, and 50s.
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