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Skipped gym class costs student diploma
Times Leader/AP Wire ^ | 5/8/2005

Posted on 05/08/2005 6:47:15 PM PDT by Born Conservative

BOW, N.H. - A decision to take Advanced Placement biology instead of gym will cost a Bow High School senior her diploma, but it won't keep her from going to college in the fall.

Though Isabel Gottlieb is a good student, a trumpet player in the school band and holds varsity letters in three sports, she discovered last fall she was one gym class shy of having enough credits to graduate next month.

She asked for a waiver, but the school wouldn't budge, telling her instead she had to drop a class to take gym.

"Why would I drop an AP biology class to take P.E.?" the 18-year-old said. "It's just not on my priority list."

The missing credit wasn't caught by the school last spring when Gottlieb's schedule was set. The class in question is called BEST, or Building Essential Skills for Tomorrow, and is required for all Bow students to graduate.

At the Seattle high school Gottlieb attended before moving to Bow before her junior year, gym requirements often were waived for students in varsity sports. But those waivers aren't something Bow High School is willing to accept.

"Waivers vary from school to school and they're not standardized at all," said Principal George Edwards.

Gottlieb added the class last year after the school told her she had to take it, but then dropped it when she found out it was too much on top of classes she was already taking, including two Advanced Placement classes and calculus.

Both Gottlieb and her mother said the school suggested dropping either band, chorus, AP biology or calculus. But she and her mother decided sacrificing any of those would have diminished the quality of Gottlieb's education.

"I'm trying to get into college and someone isn't going to want to see someone drop an AP biology class a month into the year in order to pick up P.E.," Gottlieb said.

There will likely be no compromises in time for graduation. The class is not offered in the summer.

And it may not matter. Gottlieb already has been accepted to Trinity College in Hartford, Conn., where she plans to major in biology.

Trinity is aware of Gottlieb's situation and said that as long as she gets her General Educational Development, or GED, in time, there won't be a problem.

Gottlieb said that she already has taken the practice test and, once she hears back on that, will schedule a time to take the official version of the high school equivalency test.

Meanwhile, her mother, Ashley Warner, is planning a "non-graduation" party for her daughter.

"We realized that not graduating wasn't the end of the world," Warner said. "But it took a long time to come to that conclusion."


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: diploma; discipline; fasttrack; pspl
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To: WFTR

I still quite remember my first month and a half of high school gym class was running. As in, around the school parking lot. As many times as we could. Yeah, we stretched first. Then weight lifting. Then volleyball. Then basketball. Then the coaches gave up by around March. The whole class was such a pointless waste of time.

I have friends in other colleges right now who have physical education requirements. I only realized that last week--beforehand, I thought when they told me they went to the gym, it was because they WANTED to!


141 posted on 05/08/2005 9:29:10 PM PDT by GiveEmDubya
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To: FatherofFive

**This is another example of why we have to get the government out of the school system.**

and the school system out of the government.


142 posted on 05/08/2005 9:29:35 PM PDT by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: Hank Rearden

more and more of us are turning to private home schools and going the GED route, which trains the person in self-reliance and continual responsibility for self-training and improvement.

physical education is important, but if one could not really graduate without it, then all our physically handicapped students could justly be considered 'inferior'. and they are not.

in ten years, universities will be actively seeking home schoolers and private school students, instead of public school grads. And they will balance it racially, to avoid the accusations about THAT can of worms.

public education is finished in the usa, for everyone but the inner city families who are having to use it for baby sitting services.

it is the buggy whip of the 1950's.


143 posted on 05/08/2005 9:29:35 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Born Conservative
Homeschooling is the only sane form of education that is left in today's society.

Public schools are concerned about nothing except warm bodies bringing in your tax dollars (both state and federal).
144 posted on 05/08/2005 9:30:05 PM PDT by politicket (We now live in a society where "tolerance" is celebrated at the expense of moral correctness.)
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To: Gondring
Doesn't she realize that athletics is what's vital, not AP Science!? How many people can name a single Nobel winner from last year? Now how many sports figures are recognizable?

I know your being sarcastic, but she has letters in 3 different sports.

The girl is an athlete on 3 different varsity teams, which, when you think about it, makes this even dumber.

145 posted on 05/08/2005 9:30:11 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: freebilly

that is a very WISE observation.


146 posted on 05/08/2005 9:31:32 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: kjam22
No system is perfect anywhere. But ignoring it's rules has it's own consequences. That's the way life works. Hers in this case is that she went to school 18 years and didn't get a diploma.

If you read the Bible as "carefully" as you read this news story, I'm glad I am not under your Deaconate.

She MET the requirements to graduate, where she was previously attending; then she transferred to a new school.

THAT school AGREED she met the requirements by not requiring the BEST class when they gave her her Fall schedule last Spring.

AFTER Fall classes started, they discovered THEIR error, and tried to stick it to her.

BOTH schools are in the same city, so she had a reasonable expectation that the requirements would be the same.

When I was in high school, decades ago, ALL public schools in the entire STATE had uniform minimum graduation requirements, which prevented this kind of fiasco.

Who here really wants to have an employee that doesn't value your arbitrary rules?

How many hire a person under one set of 'arbitrary rules' then arbitrarily change them, thus disqualifying the new hire, before they even start work?

147 posted on 05/08/2005 9:32:36 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more work horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: Buddy B

probably a ww 2 program..
that said, not all who graduate can pass a GED.

you can graduate h.s. without being able to demonstrate functional literacy in some states.


148 posted on 05/08/2005 9:33:14 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Robert_Paulson2
you can graduate h.s. without being able to demonstrate functional literacy in some states.

This is actually the case in MOST states.
149 posted on 05/08/2005 9:35:57 PM PDT by politicket (We now live in a society where "tolerance" is celebrated at the expense of moral correctness.)
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To: Teplukin

since she has three letters, it is doubtful that she lacks physical activity, or is fat either.

stupid rules made by stupid people for stupid kids who are destined for failure.

smart kids and parents circumventing the system learn valuable lessons, primarily that success comes from circumventing the system... getting above the fray and staying there by whatever means necessary.

playing by rules that are patently stupid, under threat of force, is the socialist's key to maintaining perpetual mediocrity. This entire nation is ready to revolt against the socialist bureacracy on so many levels, it should be of concern to the 'we must have more rules' idiots running the asylums. But because they are stupid, they wont' figure it out till their school district is closed for lack of students and operating funds.

As fare as the girl's socialist phys ed requirement, she probably missed the phys ed/health class where they taught bananas and condoms 101...

kudos to this 'rebel' varsity sports, magna cum.... whatever. Welcome to trinity college.


150 posted on 05/08/2005 9:41:07 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: sharktrager

truth is since the Kennedy era a HS student mUST complete 4 years of gym no matter what .Youcan't graduate without it ..It's been the law in NJ for years now.


151 posted on 05/08/2005 9:42:44 PM PDT by hineybona
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To: WFTR

I agree , most gym teachers are lame and they are political gift/do nothing jobs. Still the law is ( and it's absurd) that ALL HS kids HAVE to complete and pass 4 years of gym


152 posted on 05/08/2005 9:44:24 PM PDT by hineybona
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To: Robert_Paulson2
kudos to this 'rebel' varsity sports, magna cum.... whatever. She's also a cutie

But her failure to graduate is yesterday's news

Concorde Monitor TODAY

Isabel Gottlieb was named a Commended Student in the 2005 National Merit Scholarship Program. She placed among the top 5 percent of more than 1 million students. Gottlieb is a senior at Bow High School.

If I was on the Bow High School board, Principal Edwards woUld have some 'splaining to do.

153 posted on 05/08/2005 9:52:57 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Laws are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools. - Solon, Lawmaker of Athens)
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To: kjam22

I think she went through school with the intent of getting a highschool diploma.



first of all kudos for your God given successes.
second let me say I understand your sentiment.

but...
you don't go to school to get a diploma.
you go to get an education... and a diploma should recognize that.
same goes for college.

I have multiple degrees.
SO WHAT?

What I gained from graduate studies was exposure to new knowledge... and quite honestly, I and those I have worked with and for, have never given a ratsass about the paper.

I went to get something I wanted to learn, and did not understand previously. Having that, made the paper worth little more than charmin tissue, by comparison.

I DO understand though that for some people, that piece of sheepskin is their goal. They see it as an attainment, a prized possession, and what they worked for 'all those years'.

I honestly cannot recall where I put my degrees.
But I DO remember how to apply what I learned.
THAT has been worth its weight in gold.

screw the diploma if you can go to college at a place like trinity. take an extra 'remedial' lacrosse course at college if you must, but the straining at gnats to swallow the camel compliance I see folks advocating these days... is beyond ridiculous.

I am glad you are a success.
That was the way YOU did it and it worked for you.
This gal will do the same thing, or even better, hopefully.


154 posted on 05/08/2005 9:53:41 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Serenissima Venezia

Hopefully, she - and her mother - will have matured by then.



oh please.


155 posted on 05/08/2005 9:56:57 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Oztrich Boy

"If I was on the Bow High School board, Principal Edwards woUld have some 'splaining to do."



no kidding.
brilliant, beautiful and trained in circumventing the system before she hits 20.

a great find for any employer, a person who is capable of thinking and acting 'outside the box'.

we need more 'box and trash' compacting people in our nation today. I tire of the 'stay in the box' socialist administrators that folks around here seem bent on supporting histrioncially.

things like this are symptoms of the DYING public educational system. It has systemic and fatal corruption that stem from it's use as a socialist tool to create little clones that are used to getting punished for stepping outside their little boxes.

It seems as if 'no child left behind' is more and more becoming 'no student allowed, outside our box'.

more power to this fine young lady.


156 posted on 05/08/2005 10:02:33 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Oztrich Boy

Ha! Good research!

School admins in NH have been quite the idiots this year (Londonderry - banned yearbook photo of student holding trap shooting gun; some jr. hi. kicked a kid out of a holiday dance when he showed up dressed as Santa, ...).


157 posted on 05/08/2005 10:03:25 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: Born Conservative

It just strikes me funny that this intelligent young lady couldn't work out a schedule that met graduation requirements.

For the record, I did not like P.E., except for square dancing and archery.


158 posted on 05/08/2005 10:07:32 PM PDT by skr (May God bless those in harm's way and confound those who would do the harming)
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To: kjam22

"Yep... often they do. Often that company is a "landscaping company". Often it's a plumber. Or any sort of self-employed company because they can't work for people. But you're right now and then they actually start a legit company. And often they go bankrupt. That's life. Just because a person thinks they know more than everybody else, doesn't mean they'll be a sucess at life."

She's majoring in Biology. She'll be just fine.

She's getting a GED, and no one cares about what you did in high school once you graduate college.

God bless her.


159 posted on 05/08/2005 10:14:50 PM PDT by rwilson99 (South Park (R)
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To: kjam22

"Yep... but she couldn't figure out how to get a highschool diploma on time."

Not according to her college of choice.


160 posted on 05/08/2005 10:15:45 PM PDT by rwilson99 (South Park (R)
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