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To: staterightsfirst
The TOE is not a fact, no theory is a fact and theories are never proven, facts are. Thats what the scientists tell me.

The TOE attempts to explain the fact that species change over time. It does this both historically by studing fossils and contemporaneously in the lab. Species adapt, mutations happen, selection occurs. I don't think you'll find many folks who disagree with that.

But the TOE is not a fact, in science theories occupy a position in the hierarchy above facts. Now guys like Dawkins would have you believe that Neo Darwinian Theory explains it all from soup to nuts and while doing so disproves a Creator. Well, I know Dawkins is a bigot but he's your bigot and he represents a school of thought that has brought about the blowback you are seeing in Kansas and elsewhere.

Such is life but since you're a states powers kind of guy I would hope you're not one of those cheering on the sidelines if the feds order Kansas to do what the Darwinists want and the residents of Kansas don't want.

41 posted on 05/07/2005 6:10:00 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

Since you seem to know the definition of fact, I'm at a loss as to why you assume I'm talking about any kind of theory. What I said:

Evolution is a fact.

Evolution = change over time.

Fact = observed phenomeon.

If you're willing to precisely define the 'theory of evolution' without using generalizations, I'll gladly discuss it. Because it seems to me that the 'theory of evolution' is a media buzzword that encompasses so many things it's impossible to know what people are talking about.


44 posted on 05/07/2005 6:58:57 PM PDT by staterightsfirst
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To: jwalsh07
BTW, just to be clearer so you know I did read your post:

The TOE attempts to explain the fact that species change over time. It does this both historically by studing fossils and contemporaneously in the lab. Species adapt, mutations happen, selection occurs. I don't think you'll find many folks who disagree with that.

My question is, right, then what is the theory of evolution?

Now guys like Dawkins would have you believe that Neo Darwinian Theory explains it all from soup to nuts and while doing so disproves a Creator.

Yeah, some misguided people may use evolution to push an atheist agenda, but science is never about disproving the existence of God; science is "How?", God is "Why?".

46 posted on 05/07/2005 7:07:59 PM PDT by staterightsfirst
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