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FAQ: How Real ID will affect you
CNET/News.com ^ | 6 May 2005 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 05/06/2005 1:40:25 PM PDT by af_vet_rr

Starting three years from now, if you live or work in the United States, you'll need a federally approved ID card to travel on an airplane, open a bank account, collect Social Security payments, or take advantage of nearly any government service. Practically speaking, your driver's license likely will have to be reissued to meet federal standards.

The Real ID Act hands the Department of Homeland Security the power to set these standards and determine whether state drivers' licenses and other ID cards pass muster. Only ID cards approved by Homeland Security can be accepted "for any official purpose" by the feds.

In exchange for federal cash, states must agree to link up their databases. Specifically, the Real ID Act says it hopes to "provide electronic access by a state to information contained in the motor vehicle databases of all other states."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; 1984; aliens; bigbrother; nationalid; privacy; realid; realidact; tia
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1 posted on 05/06/2005 1:40:26 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

It sounds as if I'll soon have more freedom if I go on vacation to Mexico and sneak back across the border as an illegal.


2 posted on 05/06/2005 1:41:51 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: af_vet_rr

Good... lets just be done with it and encrypt biometrics on every card and test at secure areas (no need for national db, store retinal scan, and use card along to check against scanning station realtime results)


3 posted on 05/06/2005 1:44:27 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon
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To: af_vet_rr
National Database, National ID Card. They pushed it through by attaching it to a military spending bill. Many of us thought they wouldn't be able to pull it off, but nobody is going to vote against a bill that spends money on our troops, and they knew that.

You can pretend it's about terrorism, about illegal immigration, or anything else you want to pretend it's about, but certain political persuasions have been advocating a national ID for many years now, and they saw their chance to push this through. This goes a few steps further as well, and does in fact create a national database of everybody.

If you don't like this, don't be surprised if your labeled a terrorist or illegal alien sympathizer.
4 posted on 05/06/2005 1:44:43 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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5 posted on 05/06/2005 1:45:54 PM PDT by evets (God bless President Bush and VP Cheney)
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To: .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; annalex; Annie03; Antoninus; ...
Is this a national ID card?
It depends on whom you ask. Barry Steinhardt, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's technology and liberty program, says: "It's going to result in everyone, from the 7-Eleven store to the bank and airlines, demanding to see the ID card. They're going to scan it in. They're going to have all the data on it from the front of the card...It's going to be not just a national ID card but a national database."

At the moment, state driver's licenses aren't easy for bars, banks, airlines and so on to swipe through card readers because they're not uniform; some may have barcodes but no magnetic stripes, for instance, and some may lack both. Steinhardt predicts the federalized IDs will be a gold mine for government agencies and marketers. Also, he notes that the Supreme Court ruled last year that police can demand to see ID from law-abiding U.S. citizens.

6 posted on 05/06/2005 1:48:01 PM PDT by St. Johann Tetzel (Sometimes "Defending the Faith" means you have to be willing to get your hands dirty...)
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To: af_vet_rr
From the article/FAQ, only three Republicans voted against this idea

Reps. Howard Coble of North Carolina, John Duncan of Tennessee, and Ron Paul of Texas.
7 posted on 05/06/2005 1:49:10 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

Bumpin' your post!


8 posted on 05/06/2005 1:56:39 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Yo! Cowboy! I'm praying for a LoganMiracle! It CAN happen!!!!)
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To: af_vet_rr

To prevent duplication, please do not alter the heading. Thanks.


9 posted on 05/06/2005 1:57:42 PM PDT by Lead Moderator
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To: FreedomNeocon

Forget that, Digital Angel is ready and waiting to put a chip in your forearm and your forehead for identification. It will carry all your credit info so there will no longer be any legitimate need for cash. The G10's job will be done and we will be a cashless world. But, watch out for those ten horns of the seven headed beast(G7) which gained an eigth head to become G8. The beast with a blasphemous name is here. Beware the coming of the mark!


10 posted on 05/06/2005 1:57:47 PM PDT by PaxMacian
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To: PaxMacian

Mark who?


11 posted on 05/06/2005 2:00:06 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: af_vet_rr

"State DMVs will have to verify that these identity documents are legitimate, digitize them and store them permanently. In addition, Social Security numbers must be verified with the Social Security Administration."

Sure. And just like now, some enterprizing DMV worker will fudge the requirements for cash. Seems they did this in New York and Virginia.


12 posted on 05/06/2005 2:01:04 PM PDT by OpusatFR (I live in a swamp and reuse, recycle, refurbish, grow my own, ride a bike and vote GOP)
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To: af_vet_rr

Well, I don't fly public airlines, all my bank accounts are decades old and since I never paid any social security, screw them.

As for "other government services" I pray I am never targeted for any of them, but I keep a blue water vessel in ship shape at the dock just in case.

I'm sure this anti-American ID crap will keep us all safe.

On the bright side, we won't need tickets for the cattle cars that take us to the nice new summer camps.


13 posted on 05/06/2005 2:09:46 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (I leave reason and good manners to those that have them.)
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To: af_vet_rr

The Congresscritter who pushed this through is one of the 10 most conservative in the USA, based on ACU voting score. He is also my congresscritter, and he did the right thing.

States are NOT required to "link databases"--but no illegal will be given a driver's license unless it is noted, clearly, that the individual is an illegal.

If the immigrant has a date-certain visa expiry, the date-certain WILL be on the DL, and the DL expires at the same time the visa does.

There will be plenty of States which will not "link DB's"--and it's irrelevant anyway, as the FBI's DB on criminals is national, already.


14 posted on 05/06/2005 2:12:04 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: af_vet_rr
If you don't like this, don't be surprised if your labeled a terrorist or illegal alien sympathizer.

A terrorist is anyone who exploits fear to advance a political program. You are absolutely right that some folks have been waiting for their chance to take Fed control of the people (let's not say citizenry) to the next level.

15 posted on 05/06/2005 2:12:34 PM PDT by Romulus (Der Inn fließt in den Tiber.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
You get the prize. That's the best answer I've seen yet. I just renewed my driver's license this year and it is already one of those new ID card licenses. You have no options if you want to drive or travel anywhere. I'm not on the "mark of the beast" band wagon, but I sure as heck don't like it.
16 posted on 05/06/2005 2:25:03 PM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: af_vet_rr

Most far reaching will be this national database. Guess what DB's do best? They grow at rates that would shame a whole fleet of rabbits. This DB will be a nice place to build profiles. The possibilities are endless (and scary).


17 posted on 05/06/2005 2:34:46 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR, NRA, GOP)
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To: af_vet_rr

He forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark. Rev 13:16-17

18 posted on 05/06/2005 2:34:57 PM PDT by Gideon7
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To: Pearls Before Swine

RFID arm implants for medical history

California Parents Protest RFID Arm Bands

19 posted on 05/06/2005 2:39:31 PM PDT by Gideon7
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To: umgud

Looks like it will take effect in May 08, if Hitlery wins I don't know wtf I will do.


20 posted on 05/06/2005 2:40:41 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (How soon will the U.S.A. be U.S.S.A.?)
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