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To: A Jovial Cad; familyop
No, Cad, there isn't a lot of special humanity in liberating half the world when your intent is based on military alliances and prejudice. I wonder where you think "special humanity" is ever supposed to come in during a war. I'd like you to also understand that at no point did I defend Russia's behavior during World War II. I'll reiterate an earlier point by questioning your naming it "Putin's Russia".

And yes, I understand what "total war" is. Your calling it "fighting to win" is plainly asinine. I suppose had we really been "fighting to win" in Iraq it would have neccessitated large scale firebombing in Baghdad. That city's only millenia old.

familyop; A couple of things: What do you mean the "Nazi decision"? Those are commercial enterprises, not government installations. What does this have to do with "human shield programs"? Do you honestly believe large American cities during WWII weren't voluntary hosts to myriad arms factories? World Wars need bullets! Your Air Force History website lists brand names. Also- that airforcehistory.hq.af.mil website is pissing me off- why does a military history website have an unconventional security certificate?

72 posted on 05/06/2005 10:53:44 PM PDT by asgromo ("Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." -Isaac Asimov)
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To: asgromo; familyop
Let's take this in order of descending coherence:

No, Cad, there isn't a lot of special humanity in liberating half the world when your intent is based on military alliances and prejudice

That statement is as silly as it's author. Yes, asgromo, there was a good deal of "special humanity" displayed by the Western Allies in ending a conflict initiated against them by the tyrannical regimes that composed the governments of Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan.

Pearl Harbor--which left more than 1100 American servicemen dead in a sneak attack--occured on December 7, '41. Hitler declared war on this country on December 11, and his scummy ally Mussolini quickly followed suit.

The only "prejudice" involved was the resolute determination of an outraged nation against the smarmy, murderous actions of those filthy regimes who'd attacked them.

I wonder where you think "special humanity" is ever supposed to come in during a war

Had the Western Allies reduced every population center in Nazi Germany to cinders in the event that the genocidal leadership controlling that nation at the time had refused/not-been-compelled-to surrender, it would've been completely justified. Period, plain, simple.

I'll reiterate an earlier point by questioning your naming it "Putin's Russia"

Don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.

And yes, I understand what "total war" is. Your calling it "fighting to win" is plainly asinine

No, you don't. Your first statement directly refutes your idiotic second one, making muddles of both in the logical department.

Try again.

I suppose had we really been "fighting to win" in Iraq it would have neccessitated (Sic) large scale firebombing in Baghdad

Ahhh...the age-old debating tactic of the Straw man is constructed, tweaked, and then demolished. Ever the refuge of the sputtering mentally-dim, that one is.

Village Idiot much? ...*snicker*...

73 posted on 05/07/2005 12:25:14 AM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("A man's character is his fate." - Heraclitus)
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To: asgromo

I doubt that anyone who has studied much of the history of the Nazis would be ignorant of the fact that Nazi officials (being fascists) controlled planning and production along with the press, films and textbook editing. National socialism was different but no better than communism--two varieties of evil, vain stupidity.


74 posted on 05/07/2005 1:50:50 AM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Roman.)
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To: asgromo

And yes, most, if not all of our arms plants were built far enough from residential areas to keep civilians safe. ...unlike totalitarian regimes of the kind that you're defending with loose rhetoric.


75 posted on 05/07/2005 1:56:39 AM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Roman.)
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To: asgromo; A Jovial Cad
"Also- that airforcehistory.hq.af.mil website is [expletive] me off- why does a military history website have an unconventional security certificate?"

The Air Force Historical Studies Office probably uses that certificate (same kind that many military sites use--activates a transmitter) in order to send one of the following to detect pro-Nazi thoughts in the brainwaves of certain readers.




76 posted on 05/07/2005 2:06:17 AM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Roman.)
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