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New arena for birth-control battle
Star Tribune ^ | May 3, 2005 | Rene Sanchez

Posted on 05/03/2005 5:33:17 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

Rebecca Polzin walked into a drugstore in Glencoe, Minn., last month to fill a prescription for birth control. A routine request. Or so she thought.

Minutes later, Polzin left furious and empty-handed. She said the pharmacist on duty refused to help her. "She kept repeating the same line: 'I won't fill it for moral reasons,' " Polzin said.

Earlier this year, Adriane Gilbert called a pharmacy in Richfield to ask if her birth-control prescription was ready. She said the person who answered told her to go elsewhere because he was opposed to contraception. "I was shocked," Gilbert said. "I had no idea what to do."

The two women have become part of an emotional debate emerging across the country: Should a pharmacist's moral views trump a woman's reproductive rights?

No one knows how many pharmacists in Minnesota or nationwide are declining to fill contraceptive prescriptions. But both sides in the debate say they are hearing more reports of such incidents -- and they predict that conflicts at drugstore counters are bound to increase.

"Five years ago, we didn't have evidence of this, and we would have been dumbfounded to see it," said Sarah Stoesz, president of Planned Parenthood of Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota. "We're not dumbfounded now. We're very concerned about what's happening."

But M. Casey Mattox of the Center for Law and Religious Freedom said it is far more disturbing to see pharmacists under fire for their religious beliefs than it is to have women inconvenienced by taking their prescription to another drugstore. He also said that laws have long shielded doctors opposed to abortion from having to take part in the procedure.

"The principle here is precisely the same," Mattox said.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


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To: SoothingDave
Well, that's your call. Just remember, you are supporting them, even if indirectly. So its okay to support the manufacturers to help your daughters fever but not to help a woman with say, endometriosus? And perhaps not all drug manufacturers make birth control pills. Have you ever checked?
641 posted on 05/06/2005 11:11:13 AM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: FreepinforTerri; Modernman
Oh...that makes it okay, then.

You didn't have much trouble wishing for the entire state of Florida to be incinerated. That would cause the deaths of untold millions.

642 posted on 05/06/2005 11:14:12 AM PDT by Dont Mention the War
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To: SoothingDave

I don't believe in trying to cover abortion and contraception in honey and pretend that these things don't kill people (or something that might someday become a person).

We've made a cost-benefit analysis and decided that protecting fetuses isn't worth the trade-offs in sexual freedom. Part of this determination has to do with the fact that, well, fetuses can't vote.


643 posted on 05/06/2005 11:14:25 AM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Modernman
In all cases? Killing someone in self-defense is technically murder, but we have decided to remove such killing from the legal definition.

It's technically "homocide." "Murder" is a legal term and is defined by the laws. Generally it means the unjustified killing of another. Dictionary.com says "an unlawful killing." Self-defense is a legitimate justification.

Homocide is not always wrong. Murder is.

In the case of abortion, there is the added argument of whether or not a fetus is a human being.

That's a losing argument. I am more respectful of those who acknowledge that it is a human life, but that it enjoys fewer protections than a more-developed life.

SD

644 posted on 05/06/2005 11:15:03 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Dont Mention the War

Aww. You were trying to be offensive. How cute!

Your vain attempt at an insult reminds me of a bumper sticker that read "Just say no to sex with pro-life women" I was so flattered by the bumper-sticker.

I think your attempt to offend me was a knee-jerk reaction from years of being turned down by women who you've tried to seduce, realizing I'm yet another woman that won't be giving you any.

This is a common insult: "Ice queen" "prude" all of which are just the mantra of sexually-frustrated men who have stumbled across a woman that has some respect for herself.


645 posted on 05/06/2005 11:16:15 AM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: Dont Mention the War

You are so-o-o bad! Funny, but bad! LOL!


646 posted on 05/06/2005 11:17:10 AM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: FreepinforTerri
Do you know as much about my hand? What's my middle finger doing?

Awww, what a beautiful Christian spirit you demonstrate! Brings a tear to my eye.

647 posted on 05/06/2005 11:17:49 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: Dont Mention the War

That's sarcasm and not a real issue, jackass. Really killing people versus incinerating an entire state. I hope this isn't your best argument.


648 posted on 05/06/2005 11:17:56 AM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: Dont Mention the War

By the way- women don't masterbate by massaging their uterus, if that's what you were implying.

Wow- you've been denied sexually even more than I thought!


649 posted on 05/06/2005 11:18:47 AM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: FreepinforTerri; Quick1
False. The purpose of the birth control pill is to control birth, not to regulate cycles. Cycle regulation is a side effect. The inhospitable endometrium is main effect (as well as preventing ovulation, and changing the viscosity of cervical mucus).

BS. The purpose of the "birth control" pill is whatever a physician prescribes it for. If researchers discovered tomorrow that it was also effective against allergies, then not only would doctors prescribe it for that purpose, but the drug companies would seek FDA approval to advertise it for that purpose.

650 posted on 05/06/2005 11:19:30 AM PDT by Dont Mention the War
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To: FreepinforTerri
I thought you are Here for Terri. Only for Terri. Shouldn't you be working to impeach Judge Greer or somthing?
651 posted on 05/06/2005 11:19:59 AM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: mountaineer

Since I don't beleive in killing people, I'm not along to make references to giving the bird. Consistent.


652 posted on 05/06/2005 11:20:04 AM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: FreepinforTerri; Dont Mention the War
I think both of you need to take a deep breath and relax.

SD

653 posted on 05/06/2005 11:21:09 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Homocide is not always wrong. Murder is.

A fair point. However, my argument remains the same: we have decided to exclude certain things, such as abortion and self-defense, from the definition of "murder."

654 posted on 05/06/2005 11:22:48 AM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: unbalanced but fair

Shouldn't you be developing a consistent argument?


655 posted on 05/06/2005 11:23:57 AM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: FreepinforTerri
Since I don't beleive in killing people, I'm not along to make references to giving the bird. Consistent.

I guess you don't "beleive" in writing coherent sentences, either.

656 posted on 05/06/2005 11:23:57 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: FreepinforTerri; Dont Mention the War
This is a common insult: "Ice queen" "prude"

In some cases, an accurate description, rather than an insult.

657 posted on 05/06/2005 11:24:20 AM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: FreepinforTerri
By the way- women don't masterbate by massaging their uterus, if that's what you were implying.

No, it's not what I was implying. That's why I used the phrase "come close to". Nice try.

BTW, it's masturbate, not masterbate.

658 posted on 05/06/2005 11:24:28 AM PDT by Dont Mention the War (Proud Member of the WPPFF Death Cult - We're coming after YOU next!)
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To: mountaineer

Yeah. It's easier to impune my grammar than admit that you're wrong---or at the least can't come up with an intellegent argument.


659 posted on 05/06/2005 11:25:00 AM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: FreepinforTerri

impugn, intelligent. I thought you had a 4.0 GPA.


660 posted on 05/06/2005 11:26:27 AM PDT by mountaineer
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