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To: Mershon
"Prior to Vatican II, in the U.S., there were 150,000 conversions per year. Now, there are 60,000. Doesn't look like removing Latin from the liturgy has really helped that one. Read "Index of Leading Catholic Indicators.""

Which has absolute NOTHING whatsoever to do with the necessity to accurately translate the RC dogma into native languages.

"Every Latin Mass had Latin/English missals with ACCURATE translations. The people knew their parts of the Mass "in Latin." It is a principle called "repetitio est mater studiorum," and I am certain you can understand what that means, even if you don't understand Latin.

So, if every missal had an ACCURATE English translation, why say the mass in Latin rather than English.

Why the fixation that the Mass MUST be said in Latin to be "accurate"?? You're trying to have it both ways.

"Your argument, especially in an issue that does not concern your Church, about Hebrew and Aramaic is silly. Neither of those languages were ever adapted as the official language of the Church. Latin was. Latin is. Latin will be forever."

Not at all silly. Aramaic and Hebrew were the first languages of the Church---NOT Latin. So there has already had to be ONE set of accurate translations from the original language into Latin.

"Una Voce. You don't want to consider a real answer. You just want to argue. Have your opinions all you want, but since you are not Catholic, I wander why you really even care."

Because I'm trying to get an answer that actually makes sense--which yours DO NOT. The best one so far has been from "ClearBlueSky", who says it is because of an affection for tradition. I suspect she is correct, and it is nothing more than that.

167 posted on 05/02/2005 2:32:25 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Wonder Warthog

It is precisely because of affection for tradtion that some want to hear mass in Latin. It is what we grew up hearing. The fact that you went into church and communed with God in a mysterious language that was NOT what you used every day added to the awe.
What is wrong with wanting that feeling now? What is wrong with wanting to worship the way your parents, grandparents and ancestors did? No one will be forced to endure a Latin mass if it is offered as any other non-English masses are.
Why NOT let those for whom hearing the liturgy in Latin means something special have it? Who does it harm?

Is translating the mass into Latin any worse than translating it into Vietnamese or Croatian or Urdu?
Why is this ONE language being treated differently than any other? If mass is offered in many languages for the comfort of the faithful, why not in Latin for those of us who feel at home with it?
Who is threatened by Latin mass, and why?
I'm sure God hears us in all languages. He doesn't care how you speak to Him, as long as you do.
He listened to Latin for thousands of years. I don't think if offends Him now.


200 posted on 05/02/2005 4:38:36 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Latin is the language of the Roman Catholic Church. It is fixed and stable, just as is its dogma--just as its liturgy used to be.


247 posted on 05/03/2005 6:03:55 AM PDT by Mershon
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