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To: biblewonk

“Of course "evidence" can be found”
Yes, but your original post said this was not in the Bible.

“Who is the RCC to invent a Christian "Priesthood" ”
The Roman Catholic Church is the Church Christ established on earth 2,000 years ago:

“Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." (Matt. 16:17-19)” Here Christ promised that Peter’s decisions as leader of the Church would be binding in heaven. From John 21:21-24 “Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you. And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” There was one other time in the Bible that God breathed on man - when God breathed life into Adam. This was something very special. Christ was creating his priesthood, and clearly giving this priesthood special gifts. These gifts could not have been intended to die with the Apostles, unless Christ was planning a very quick return.

“There are entire paragraphs of "biblical evidence" that the standard minister role, the elder, must be married”

The point of Paul's teaching is not that a man must be married in order to be a bishop, but that a bishop may not be married more than once. If this passage meant that a bishop had to be married, Paul would have been in violation of his own rule (1 Cor. 7:7-8, 9:5). A rule forbidding a man to have more than one wife does not order him to have at least one. A man who never marries does not violate the rule. Also, Paul, being a bishop who ordained other men to be bishops (1 Tim.1:6), would have been a hypocrite if he enjoined such a rule ("to be a bishop you must be married") and then, by his own admission (1 Cor. 7:8-9) ignored his own rule.


146 posted on 05/02/2005 1:44:37 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Choose life!)
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To: FatherofFive
The point of Paul's teaching is not that a man must be married in order to be a bishop, but that a bishop may not be married more than once.

Yes it is his point otherwise there wouldn't have been the mention of kids. It doesn's say "no more than one". It says one.

148 posted on 05/02/2005 1:47:55 PM PDT by biblewonk (John 2:4 "Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me?...)
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To: FatherofFive
Yes, but your original post said this was not in the Bible.

The RCC priesthood could start offering sheep and cite that "there is evidence in the bible of priests offering sheep" as proof that they should. And that too would be the same kind of misuse of the bible. This was my point and I think it was pretty clear.

149 posted on 05/02/2005 1:50:11 PM PDT by biblewonk (John 2:4 "Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me?...)
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To: FatherofFive
“Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." (Matt. 16:17-19)” Here Christ promised that Peter’s decisions as leader of the Church would be binding in heaven. From John 21:21-24 “Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you. And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” There was one other time in the Bible that God breathed on man - when God breathed life into Adam. This was something very special. Christ was creating his priesthood, and clearly giving this priesthood special gifts. These gifts could not have been intended to die with the Apostles, unless Christ was planning a very quick return.

Do you believe that the pope has the power to grant or deny salvation to a man?

150 posted on 05/02/2005 1:54:29 PM PDT by biblewonk (John 2:4 "Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me?...)
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To: FatherofFive

If Peter really was "all that" why did Paul never once mention it. He also never once mentioned any of the things DeMontfort says about Mary. How could it be that the person who wrote most of the NT via the Holy Spirit failed to mention this? Never is Pope or the human vicar of Christ or his infalibility or his word being equal to scripture every once mentioned in the bible. So how could those verses possibly mean what you suggest they mean?


153 posted on 05/02/2005 1:58:13 PM PDT by biblewonk (John 2:4 "Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me?...)
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