[Carry_Okie]

Please do not act as if I have never studied the Constitution.

Then don't write as if acting without Congressional authority has no consequences. BTW, I doubt you've read Farrand's Records, without which, you don't know as much as you think you do about what the document means.

Why not enlighten us all with your rendition of the last war that congress declared?

That would be World War II. There has not been a declared war since the founding of the United Nations.

Just because the government of the United States has been operating illegally for a long time does not mean that such is legitimate behavior, much less moral or politically wise. To so believe gives legitimacy to a "living Constitution," under which the government executes everything from land grabs to anchor babies (specifically forbidden by the original intent of the 14th Amendment).

[mjaneangels@aolcom]

"Why not enlighten us all with your rendition of the last war that congress declared?" "That would be World War II." I think you missed a little something here. In WWII, we were attacked by Japan at Pearl Harbor, so Congress declared war on Germany.

[Mad Mammoth]

Just because the government of the United States has been operating illegally for a long time does not mean that such is legitimate behavior, much less moral or politically wise. To so believe gives legitimacy to a "living Constitution," under which the government executes everything from land grabs to anchor babies (specifically forbidden by the original intent of the 14th Amendment).

Perhaps this might clarify things a bit:

Carry_Okie has a fine understanding of the Constitution and all the many ramifications of this or that, and for that reason should be teaching the principles of the Constitution at some Ivy League college.

That way, the rest of us (as in U.S.) can get on with the job of fighting and winning any wars that come our way, and the scholars can debate it after the fact.

The fact is, there are always some people who want to examine and debate things ad infinitum, not unlike the paper-pushing clerks in a hospital emergency room who mindlessly seek to get signatures on all those many forms, (as the patient is bleeding out) because God knows we wouldn't want any missing signatures or something "improper" (read: "illegal").

Screw the paperwork, win the damn war.

[bill1952]

Farrand's Records

Oh please. You write like a.. well, never mind.

I tested on the Federal Convention of 1787 at Penn State, way back in 1973.

At the age of 52 I have forgotten more about the Law and it's practice than you propably will ever know, and I doubt that you will change your opinions simply because of those whatchamacallums,,, Oh yeah, FACTS.

CINC needs no congressional authority to use the military as he sees fit. (and that is a good thing)

And that is not illegal. (and that is a good thing)

And you are wrong. (and that also is a good thing)