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To: Ken H
"If the ruling said that allowing citizens to carry concealed arms in public is a violation of the 5th Amendment, why would all State CC not be struck down?"

Maybe if the citizen is trained/licensed/certified, there is no violation of the 5th (ie., citizens are not threatened by those who are licensed). We're just making this up as we go, so let's say there could be a reason.

If the second amendment is incorporated, the USSC defines what the second amendment protects. If it doesn't protect CC, then the 5th amendment challenge is successful and CC is void in all states. No matter what the state CC says, the USSC doesn't recognize it.

So, incorporation DOES make a difference, and that difference is how many states would be affected by a negative USSC ruling.

Think incorporated 1st amendment, shouting fire in a theater. The USSC says it's not allowed. A state cannot say it is.

Prior to incorporation, each state decided.

200 posted on 05/01/2005 8:38:33 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen; Ken H; yall
Paulsen unwittingly says something true:

"-- We're just making this up as we go, --
"-- If the second amendment is incorporated, the USSC defines what the second amendment protects. --"

Indeed, if we continue to allow the USSC to work under the legalized fiction that the 2nd Amendment needs to be "incorporated" to be valid, we have permitted them to exercise a power they do not possess. A power they're simply "making up"..

Thanks bobby..

201 posted on 05/01/2005 9:21:53 PM PDT by P_A_I
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To: robertpaulsen
You're just repeating your error. In the case you proposed, USSC would be defining the scope and meaning of the Fifth Amendment, not the Second.

Think incorporated 1st amendment, shouting fire in a theater. The USSC says it's not allowed.

IIRC, the USSC said that the First Amendment did not protect a right to shout fire. Can you cite the text where they said you can't shout fire in a theater?

A state cannot say it is.

Cite the text which backs that up, please.

202 posted on 05/01/2005 9:41:31 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: robertpaulsen
I meant to respond to this gem too:

Prior to incorporation, each state decided.

That is true, but incomplete. With incorporation, each State still decides. Are you saying otherwise?

204 posted on 05/01/2005 9:50:09 PM PDT by Ken H
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