[Evolution]

of course, i'd like to believe that, if they got the government off our backs, we'd use our extra wealth to care for others voluntarily

in a utopian dreamland,

In a utopian dreamland people would take what they need and become independent. The fact is any government welfare is abused and only creates more waste. People need to be independent. Before government welfare people made it in this country just FINE and were better off!

You support the Welfare State?

[dwills]

err, no, in simpler english for you, i'm for privatization and arguing against the guy (gal?), Torie, who claims it presents a moral hazard larger than leaving it in the hands of the politicians

nevertheless, to get private accounts, i don't mind if they start indexing wealthier folks' inflation adjustment to prices instead of wages