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LIVE THREAD: President Bush's Press Conference
www.freerepublic.com | April 28, 2005

Posted on 04/28/2005 4:00:18 PM PDT by Howlin

FROM WASHINGTON
Pres. Bush Press Conf. Tonight 
At the White House, Pres. Bush holds an evening press confer-ence. The President intends to talk about his Social Security reform plan and his energy plan. He is also likely to get questions on other topics such as the John Bolton nomination, Senate filibuster rules on judicial nomina-tions, House ethics rules, etc.





Live at 8:00 P.M. EDT

Watch live from the White House web site:

The White House

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or

C-SPAN

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and all the usual suspected news outlets.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bolton; bush; bush43; energy; gwb; presidentbush; pressconference; soctialsecurity; term2
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To: Torie
Private accounts do nothing to reduce the actuarial deficit in the system.

They do because you still pay into the system but draw less from the system because you are withdrawing from your own savings!

1,021 posted on 04/28/2005 7:42:58 PM PDT by Evolution (Tolerance!? We don't need no stinking Tolerance ! ! !)
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To: Ed_in_NJ
I wish somebody would say "borders."

Why? You don't get enough of that around here? ;-)

1,022 posted on 04/28/2005 7:45:12 PM PDT by alnick (Rice 2005: We've only just begun to see what Freedom can achieve.)
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To: Torie

consider the nuance:

returns only slighty better than the ultraconservative figures assumed for discussion purposes today would greatly ease the consequences of progressive price indexing or any other means of addressing the actuarial deficit

if the returns are worse, we'll be fully socialist before any of this even matters and after much blood in the streets


1,023 posted on 04/28/2005 7:46:37 PM PDT by dwills (BIGOTS!? We don't need no stinking BIGOTS!!!)
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To: Evolution; jwalsh07
Nope because money is being diverted from the system. It is a wash. Morever, Bush said this

"As a matter of fairness, I propose that future generations receive benefits equal to or greater than the benefits today's seniors get."

To that, I say there is no free lunch. The actuarial deficit cannot be closed for free. Either you increase risk to get higher expected returns, with a downside presented by the left side of the bell curve of results, or you raise taxes. Granted, I don't think Bush really meant what he said, but well, he said it.

1,024 posted on 04/28/2005 7:48:48 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: dwills

The figures are not ultraconservative. They assume a return equal to the 5 year treasury bond rate, which is of course a very low risk rate. The proposal as I understand it is to have private accounts borrow at 3% over inflation against the balance of their "traditional" SS benefit, a bit higher than the five year treasury bond rate, and to invest in stocks at a 100% margin (investing in bonds would not move the ball, except perhaps slightly backward if anything for the recipient). If stocks do not generate lower rather than returns higher than 3% over inflation, the recipient will be worse off. But Uncle Sam will be there, if it is much worse off. Thus the moral hazard.


1,025 posted on 04/28/2005 7:53:01 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: Huber

Was the NYTimes the only available link?



I doubt it......


1,026 posted on 04/28/2005 7:54:03 PM PDT by deport (There are worse things than getting a wrong number call at 4 AM. It could be the correct number..)
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To: Evolution
Hard to believe their (sic) are people on this form opposed to privatizing SS and actually enjoy being on government welfare....

Why, pray tell, should I listen to someone who can't even spell? I absolutely do NOT support President Bush's plan to privatize SS and put big commissions in the hands of his stock broker buddies,thereby increasing the federal deficit.

Bush's dog won't hunt.

1,027 posted on 04/28/2005 8:05:36 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Torie

and you either don't see a moral hazard in the system as currently constructed, or think that it can be practically resolved better how?


1,028 posted on 04/28/2005 8:07:47 PM PDT by dwills (BIGOTS!? We don't need no stinking BIGOTS!!!)
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To: princess leah
I think Bush chose today for a formal Press Conference because today the Iraqi government formed its 265 member government (congress/parliamnent).

And not one "journalist" asked the President about that.

1,029 posted on 04/28/2005 8:10:30 PM PDT by alnick (Rice 2005: We've only just begun to see what Freedom can achieve.)
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To: pittsburgh gop guy

As a recent op-ed article stated, educating the American people about an issue they haven't been thinking about before is a long, drawn out process.

Social security reform is an education process first.

Nothing GWB said tonight made a difference to you because you have already thought about this issue.

But for many Americans who haven't thought much about this issue and the energy bill issues, this was a good, neighborly presentation of the problem and some of the proposed solutions.

Bill Clinton talked "purty", but by the end of his Presidency most people knew everything he said was a lie.

So, the straightforward, awkward Jimmy Stewart approach does get through to more people now than a slick lie.

The Prez did a good job. He broke out of the censorship wraps that the MSM have put him in.


1,030 posted on 04/28/2005 8:11:23 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: Ciexyz
from your bio: retired federal employee, former union member

Just so we know where you are coming from.

1,031 posted on 04/28/2005 8:17:42 PM PDT by higgmeister (I suppose you got a part-time retirement job at the bus station to get your self-respect back.)
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To: Torie

the free lunch is economic growth. Economic growth makes his statement feasible without tax increases, and frankly also with or without private accounts. Obviously your counter-argument would be that my definition of greater benefits (which I define in real terms) is not correct.


1,032 posted on 04/28/2005 8:26:44 PM PDT by crasher
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To: dwills

We will always take care of poor old folks. I don't worry about that. The system needs some tweaking to close the deficit with a cut of benefits one way or the other for the old well to do (like me eventually), cutting benefit rises to inflation rather than wages, and maybe raising the retirement age one more year. It is not hard. I have researched it.


1,033 posted on 04/28/2005 8:27:36 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: higgmeister

Yes, I'm a retired federal employee and former union member. And I want to sustain my current level of benefits and projected future SS benefits, when I become eligible and of age to collect SS. That's my position, and I'm sticking to it.


1,034 posted on 04/28/2005 8:31:15 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: billbears
Well that's the difference between cowardly politicians and someone that stands up for what's right. I'm sick and tired of this lily livered excuse of representation at all levels in the national government. I would rather vote for a politician that knows full well they're only going to be in office for one term and will do their job than someone that is going to stay, protect their job, and pander for more votes.

Conservative thinking:70% of the electorate likes SS. The fault is not with the politicians. The fault is with the 70% of the electorate who like big government SS.

Liberal thinking: 70% of the electorate likes SS. The fault is with the politicians for not protecting us from our big government loving selves.

The blame belongs squarely with the 70% who love SS. But that's not what you think.

1,035 posted on 04/28/2005 8:56:28 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: cajungirl; billbears
I am saying simply the American people overwhelmingly support SS and don't want it to be done away with. A president cannot lead people where they absolutely don't want to go.

Nor, should he be relied on to do so.

1,036 posted on 04/28/2005 9:07:45 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: crasher

The actuarial deficit posits and factors in economic growth. Yes, under the present system, if we tax ourselves to pay for it, and it does not slow economic growth, then yes, retirees will get more because benefits are tied to the growth in wages, not inflation. That has to go. Bush said otherwise, overall.


1,037 posted on 04/28/2005 9:13:28 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: jwalsh07; crasher

Bush overall in the news conference was the best I have ever seen him at his game, totally in command. He really is on top of the issues. I still think private accounts are snake oil on the margin, for reasons few want to read anymore, but yes, he was "persuasive." Granted, the reporters are not equipped to deal with something this technical, so in that sense, Bush got a free ride in that format.


1,038 posted on 04/28/2005 9:15:47 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: expatpat
I thought that the problem was not just the non-negotiability of the SS treasury bonds, but also whether the Treasury legally must redeem the bonds for cash when the bonds become due. The government would do that either through income and miscellaneous tax receipts or through issuance of negotiable bonds in the marketplace, like it does now to cover the budget deficit.

According to the dems and others, if the SS treasury bonds are redeemed for cash, the system will not go broke 'til 2042 or thereabouts. Some dems want to roll back the Bush tax cuts on the "wealthy" in order to cut the budget deficit (assuming no more spending) so that the treasury will have the ability to issue negotiable bonds when the SS bonds come due.

There are also commentators who are concerned that if the Treasury does not redeem the SS bonds, the international credit markets will deem the negotiable U.S. Treasury bonds worthless. The reasoning is that if the Treasury won't redeem the bonds issued to its own citizens, it surely won't stand by its promise to pay on the negotiable treasury bonds. At that point, the "full faith and credit" of the U.S. government will be worthless, and we'll be paying 75% interest on any borrowings.

If the Treasury declines to redeem or pay back the SS bonds, expect massive litigation.
1,040 posted on 04/28/2005 9:18:15 PM PDT by oceanagirl
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