"P*ss on you, little people ..."
Posted on 04/28/2005 9:30:16 AM PDT by areafiftyone
New York Sen. Hillary Clinton is backing a plan to burn old tires to supply energy to an upstate New York paper mill that will produce clouds of acrid black smoke - a proposal that has nearby residents in a panic over potential health risks.
In an April 13 letter to the New York Department of Environmental Conservation, Clinton urged that the agency approve a two-week test burn at International Paper's Ticonderoga, N.Y., mill – adjacent to environmentally pristine Lake Champlain.
"I know that some are concerned about the potential air quality impact of burning tires at the mill," she wrote, before explaining that she agreed with IP's claims that pollution from the tire smoke won't be too harmful.
The top Democrat said the health risks were worth taking for the good of the local economy.
"I am strongly committed to working to ensure that IP's Ticonderoga mill continues to thrive and provide hundreds of good-paying jobs in Ticonderoga and the surrounding communities for generations," she explained.
Clinton's support for the tire burn has prompted heated protest from Vermont Gov. James Douglas, whose constituents live downwind of the Ticonderoga plant.
"Governor Douglas believes we need people in the United States Senate who understand how important it is to protect and improve our environment," his press secretary blasted, in quotes picked up by the Barre Montpelier Times Argus.
Ironically, Sen. Clinton made air quality a cause celebre two years ago when she accused the Bush adminsitration of covering up dangerous levels of toxic air at Ground Zero in the days after the 9/11 attack.
"[The EPA] knew and they didn't tell us the truth and the White House told them not to tell us the truth," the top Democrat fumed at the time.
"This is a very big issue," she continued. "It not only has to do with the health and safety of the people I represent, it has to do with the credibility and trust of this entire government."
Like her fellow Democrats, the tire-burn-backing Clinton opposes drilling in ANWR.
Exactly. It sounds funny to twist her suggestion into a burning of tires in the open (I'm no Hillary fan, at all), but it's obvious that's not what she meant.
Billions of tons of tire treads are being burned very slowly every year with no trace of visible pollution; else, your tires would last longer than the car.
LOL!
"P*ss on you, little people ..."
They already burn tires for energy. There is 1 pint of petroleum in each tire. They grind them up into 'chips' and put them in coal-fired furnaces. It increases the heat nicely.
LOL!!!
How about the 6% sulfur contained in the rubber?
It is oxidized to SO2 which, when it cools with the water vapor in the exhaust stream, produces a goodly amount of sulfuric acid.
The gubmint has forced refineries to spend beaucoup amount of dollars to eliminate a much lower sulfur content in their product.
But then, double standards mean nothing to the likes of Hitlery.
When is someone going to post a picture of the necktie tire burning?
(Weekly World) Newsmax just lost all credibility right there. They have no idea what the %@$& they're talking about.
On this idea we had we were at war with a part of the PA DEP -- in the course of events the DEP shut down at least one plant of someone who dared try something like we were doing (a precursor idea) -- about a dowen people lost their jobs, the plant was padlocked and the the PA DEP reached down into Delaware to have that state's DEP bring charges against a farmer who was that state's ex-Ag Secretary. Given that background, we roped in the PA Lt. Governor and some other key political alliances before we even showed a few cards from our hands. Even then we tapped out on start-up $$. Close only good in horseshoes. One of us even tripped down to Arkansas and met with the Tysons -- he came back all pumped up about some Bill Clinton, who at that time was a dark horse candidate in the Dem primary.
Anyway I learned that you can work around the regulators if you employ some ground leveling political tools long before you show your technology hand.
Energy costs are killing paper companies though. They used to use Yankee(surface contact dryers) and now in order to get fluffier/softer tissue, they use thru-air drying(kind of like a jet engine of heat ducted at the sheet) and the yankee as well. It doubles their energy needs. The thru air drying can't get the sheet down below 10% moisture alone so they use both in the process.
With excellent temparature control, flow rate and the right chemical scrubbers we can get that SO2 out. You're burning tires -- the fuel chemical and heat content mix is very stable. You can deign the burner and exhaust cleansing very efficiently.
In a controlled burn, tires burn cleaner than coal.
Remember. Tires are made from petroleum.
Wasn't International Paper the source of the land in the Whitewater deal. IIRC, the Clinton's got a sweetheart deal on some land in exchange for looking the other way on IP's polluting of some rivers from their plants.
I'd support a tire-powered generation station for her neighborhood. I think it would be very progressive and educational.
It is a wonderfully nostalgic, Auld Vorld, down-homey smell, very similar to anchovie filled cabbage rolls roasting on the Model-T's exhaust manifold. Just thinking of it almost brings tears to my eyes...
Sure you can (and I have) but pretty soon you are spending so much for chemical treatment and scrubbing energy that it is no longer a viable energy source.
There is some island in the Pacific that uses old tires for their power production, but they are not held accountable for the H2SO4.
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