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GOP finger pointing begins(Rinos blame conservatives)
The Hill ^ | 4-26-05 | Bob Cusak

Posted on 04/26/2005 8:28:07 AM PDT by KyleM

Some congressional Republicans who have been trying to craft a Social Security reform package say their efforts have been undercut by an unlikely source: conservatives whose top priority is to restructure the program.

As President Bush has struggled to gain traction on Social Security reform, Republicans have repeatedly criticized Democrats for refusing to negotiate on changing the entitlement system.

But some say that Bush should look to his right for scapegoats if Congress does not pass a Social Security bill this year. They blame conservatives for drawing several lines in the sand and refusing to consider compromises.

Conservatives have been outspoken on what should — and should not — be in a Social Security reform measure. Outside groups that are a driving force in the GOP have attacked Republicans for suggesting that raising taxes could be part of reform legislation.

A Senate Republican leadership aide expressed frustration with conservative groups’ rhetoric. While Bush and GOP congressional leaders say they are open to many ideas, conservatives have panned the everything-is-on-the-table approach.

“We should have no conditions before we start talking,” the Senate leadership staffer said. “If you start narrowing the ideas, there’s nothing left to negotiate.”

“There is a splinter in the Republican Party on how this should be addressed,” another Senate Republican aide said.

Rep. Clay Shaw (R-Fla.), a senior Ways and Means Committee member, said he has noticed “some negative stuff coming out” of certain groups, which he declined to name.

“They don’t understand that politics is the art of compromise,” he added.

Shaw’s Social Security reform plan proposes “add-on” accounts instead of “carve-outs” favored by many conservatives. The carve-outs would be financed from diverting payroll taxes, while add-ons would be paid for through tax credits.

“The problem with the far left and the far right,” Shaw said, “is that they have a my-way-or-the-highway approach.”

Shaw, who has been working on Social Security matters for more than six years, said critical comments from conservatives “didn’t start happening until recently. I hope we stop it.”

Without GOP unity, the effort to revamp Social Security will be doomed, Shaw suggested: “If we’re fractured, Democrats will see this as a political opportunity.”

In television commercials that have run in South Carolina, the Club for Growth rebuked Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) for seeking to lift the $90,000 Social Security tax cap and Americans for Tax Reform (ATR) sent a letter to Congress rebutting Graham’s skepticism about Bush’s insistence on personal accounts.

The groups did not hold back. The Club’s ad said Graham’s idea of “a huge tax hike” is a “really bad idea” that “would hit millions of families, wipe out much of the Bush tax cut and punish small businesses.”

In his letter to Capitol Hill, ATR President Grover Norquist said, “Sen. Graham’s comments are a recipe for destroying the second term of the Bush administration and if acted upon will squander the opportunity for at least another generation to preserve and modernize Social Security.”

Conservatives have embraced a reform plan introduced by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and Sen. John Sununu (R-N.H.) while making it clear that they will be wary of any plan that strays from that bill.

In contrast, Ryan has said he is open to negotiating on changing Social Security.

Even though Bush has put Social Security on Congress’s plate, the White House has also been the target of ire from the right.

In a memo to White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, Cato Institute President Ed Crane said, “[Bush] has been heroically bold in raising [Social Security reform]. But it seems to me that he’s been timid in the manner in which he has chosen to promote it.” Excerpts of the memo were reprinted in The Wall Street Journal last week.

Peter Ferrara, a senior fellow at the Institute for Policy Innovation (IPI) who is credited as the author of the Ryan-Sununu bill, wrote an op-ed in The Washington Times two months ago that mocked the White House for trying to send the president out to sell personal accounts with a message that they don’t really solve the problem. Ferrara wrote, “Is it any wonder then that the more George W. Bush talks about personal accounts the lower they sink in the polls?”

Ferrara told The Hill he is trying to help Republicans get on track on Social Security. He accused top Bush administration officials — including Rove and White House Chief of Staff Andy Card — of urging people to tell him to “shut the hell up.” Ferrara, who is scheduled to testify on Social Security before the Senate Finance Committee today, said Rove, Card and Office of Management and Budget (OMB) Director Josh Bolten lack expertise on the entitlement system and mistakenly believe some Democrats are close to embracing the president’s plan.

“Rove thinks he’s been beatified by the last election,” Ferrara added.

The White House declined to respond to Ferrara’s comments. Spokespeople for the Department of the Treasury and the OMB said the administration is open to input from all groups on Social Security reform.

The IPI has also gone after Graham and Senate Finance Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa). In a strongly worded release, IPI President Tom Giovanetti said, “The movement to fix Social Security through personal retirement accounts is in serious trouble when some Republican leaders demonstrate utter ignorance about how they work.”

The IPI’s comments came in the wake of doubts expressed by Graham and Grassley about personal accounts.

“Perhaps we need new people leading the cause of personal retirement accounts,” Giovanetti said. “Graham and Grassley just don’t get it.”

Ferrara defended the IPI’s statements: “All we are doing is telling the truth.”

Both senators are proponents of personal accounts but are concerned that insisting on the accounts could imperil Social Security reform this year.

Some conservative groups believe that could be a good thing — even though such a scenario would be regarded as a huge political setback for Bush.

The Free Enterprise Fund, which has championed personal accounts, suggested that no action on Social Security would be better than moving a reform bill without personal accounts: “If Republicans move ahead on Social Security with no personal accounts, or accounts so small as to be financially inconsequential to voters, then it is the GOP that may win the battle but lose the war. … Social Security reform without personal accounts will lead to a political Waterloo for Republicans and could jeopardize the GOP’s majorities in the House and Senate in 2006.”

Norquist contends that Social Security reform may not happen this year but will be passed eventually. However, Grassley last month told The Hill that Social Security reform must happen in 2005 — or it won’t for the next eight or nine years.

In an interview with The Washington Post, Grassley likened a vote on Social Security reform to “walk[ing] the plank.”

Certainly, a sizeable number of Republicans — such as Reps. Jo Ann Emerson (Mo.) and Rob Simmons (Conn.) — are wary of reshaping the Social Security system with private accounts. The notion that Social Security will return as a top issue in the next Congress is debatable and may largely depend how it plays out in the 2006 election.

Senate Majority Whip Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), who is admired by conservatives, has also conveyed disappointment with groups representing the right. An irked Santorum earlier this month responded to conservative commentary written by Free Enterprise Fund’s Stephen Moore and IPI’s Ferrara on National Review Online (NRO).

After Moore and Ferrara blasted Senate Republicans for allegedly selling out on Social Security, Santorum responded with his own NRO commentary: “If [Moore and Ferrara] had asked me what Senate Republicans were up to instead of quoting a report by the Associated Press, perhaps there would be no need to set the record straight. Again.”

Political observers believe that the hard line conservatives have taken is a shrewd negotiating maneuver.

“It’s all part of the legislative process,” a House GOP leadership aide said. “I do think in the end [the conservative groups] will jump on board.”

Rep. Jim McCrery (R-La.), chair of the Ways and Means subcommittee on Social Security, said he is not bothered by critics on the right. He added that he has urged his colleagues not to draw lines in the sand.

But others say conservatives are overplaying their hand.

“They don’t have near the votes [to pass the Ryan-Sununu bill],” the Senate Republican staffer said.

The Ryan legislation has been praised by House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.), Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) and the Republican Study Committee, a group of over 100 House conservatives.

That group has told top Bush administration officials that it will strongly back a Social Security bill with personal accounts. It has also warned that it will vehemently oppose any legislation that raises taxes or lacks carve-out accounts.

Conservative lawmakers are still bitter about being pressured to vote for the prescription-drug bill that deteriorated the financial future of Medicare. That experience has emboldened them to get a Social Security bill to their liking.

The bickering among Republicans on Social Security over the past several months is a clear indication that GOP leaders will have to worry about votes from conservatives when they are already struggling to attract support from centrists.

Right-wing groups have been pushing for Social Security reform for years. Now that it’s Bush’s top domestic priority, they are not eager to strike deals with Democrats.

Ultimately, Republicans say, it is up to the White House to settle the GOP’s deep divisions on Social Security.

“The president has to give us more guidance,” the Senate Republican staffer said.


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To: macaroona

Are you reading from lefty talking points?

Your spiel bring nothing new to the discussion.

Same ole "same ole"


21 posted on 04/26/2005 9:00:17 AM PDT by kennyboy509 (Ha! I kill me!)
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To: politicalwit

No.Reread both articles.Pence wants at least 6% private accounts,without compromise with the DEMS.The leadership wants to cave and have little or no private accounts,only add ons,and they want to raise the CAP.Pence is leading the conservatives on this and every other issue.The RINOS are mad at Pence because he will not compromise and expand government and taxes.


22 posted on 04/26/2005 9:03:38 AM PDT by KyleM
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To: macaroona

Marcaroona, I see the point you are making in this post and the subsequent one(s). I think that SS was a problem from the beginning. There are not enough bodies to support the retirement of the babyboom generation getting ready to retire. It's simple mathmatics. I am 32 and do not even plan SS into my retirement. I have been investing monthly since I was 18 and am not counting on a single dime from SS. wether or not I trust us repubs on this issue is not at issue. i am a die-hard republican and understand that there needs to be SOMETHING done. IMO


23 posted on 04/26/2005 9:04:12 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If Islam is a religion of peace, they should fire their P.R. guy!)
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To: politicalwit

Pence wants Bush to quit negotiating and start fighting for 6% personal accounts.Pence says nothing else will get house conservative votes(the conservatives line in the sand)


24 posted on 04/26/2005 9:06:15 AM PDT by KyleM
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To: KyleM

NO MORE TAXES!!!!!


26 posted on 04/26/2005 9:08:05 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("This will help you with the pain - POW!!" - Jack Bauer)
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To: KyleM

Freepers lets start backing our Conservative Republicans up with major support on this one.


27 posted on 04/26/2005 9:09:58 AM PDT by Trueblackman (Terrorism and Liberalism never sleep and neither do I)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Right on! That is why House conservatives drew their"line in the sand" and the RINOS and leadership(same thing) are pissed at Pence! Ryan-Sunnunu or NOTHING!


28 posted on 04/26/2005 9:10:45 AM PDT by KyleM
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To: Dan from Michigan

Yes, More taxes.


Blow the lid off the cap, and the people in influential positions in this country that go with RINOS and Dummies, and make up a large swath of the opinion making electorate will be so highly pissed, that Privatization will be the only option on the table.

Expressed as a percventage, its a small number of people, but their voice will be disporoportionate, and bi-partisan.


29 posted on 04/26/2005 9:12:51 AM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you dont have to...." ;)
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To: KyleM
What's going to happen is that the RINOs and RATs will raise the retirement age, and/or increase taxes and Bush is going to sign the damn thing amid pomp and festivities.

Then 10 years down the road liberals are going to whine that Bush "didn't do enough" to fix SS.

Any SS plan that doesn't include personal accounts is just more rearranging the tableware on the Titanic. In addition, the WH has been horribly inept on marketing this plan and have allowed the socialists to monopolize the debate.

In the meantime, I'm already planning my retirement as if SS doesn't exist, which theoretically it doesn't.

30 posted on 04/26/2005 9:17:11 AM PDT by ServesURight (Health Information Technology student! www.ahima.org)
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To: politicalwit; RockinRight; KyleM; Gipper08
no,no,You misunderestimated Pence.He is the one standing up to the RINOS.Mike Pence in 2008!
I agree that it should be Sunnnunu\Ryan or nothing.We need more LINES IN THE SAND.
32 posted on 04/26/2005 9:32:35 AM PDT by DraftPence08
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To: Federal Reserve Note
Still,We need to make sure private accounts are private.I do not want high administration costs.
33 posted on 04/26/2005 9:33:48 AM PDT by DraftPence08
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To: KyleM
"Conservative lawmakers are still bitter about being pressured to vote for the prescription-drug bill that deteriorated the financial future of Medicare."

I'm bitter that they voted for it, too. And I'm bitter that Bush pushed them to do so. It has created a massive unfunded liability - - - giving the Democrats a ready excuse to lobby for higher taxes in coming years. Thanks, President Bush. Not.

34 posted on 04/26/2005 9:39:35 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: KyleM
Pence wants Bush to quit negotiating and start fighting for 6% personal accounts."""

That's a tall order. Now if Pence could get Vincente Fox to make this request of Bush, maybe Bush would listen.

36 posted on 04/26/2005 9:41:49 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: macaroona
Let me give you an example of how pensions work in the real world - my own personal case. I have a private pension from a large organization I worked for, and SS, of course. I get statements from both. A few months ago I was doing filing and came across my last year's statement from each. I was shocked to see that the private pension was now worth several hundred dollars LESS a month - I think it was $900 less a month in benefits projected for my retirement - than it was the year before.

I'm sorry, I'm not letting this one go by. I am a professional investor and your numbers are either total nonsense or you have the misfortune of incompetence in the way your company directed its plan. Comparing a private pension plan (Defined Benefit Plan in corporate parlance) to a Personal Account (Defined Contribution Plan) is apples and oranges.

What are the facts you are leaving out? Did your company pension solely invest in company stock? If so, shame on the company's executives for allowing this. If the investments are diversified, you are either misreading your statement (after all, the markets rose last year) or you are purposely misleading everyone here to further your agenda. Prove me wrong by posting your statements from 2003 and 2004, along with the investment report of the plan.

To have a $10,800 reduction in annual projected benefits is pretty much impossible financially unless you are Enron. That would require a reduction of at least $150,000 in your account balance (assuming an imputed rate of return of 7% on the actuarial assumptions of your plan). Which means that before this loss, you would have received a heck of a lot more on the plan than Social Security would pay.

37 posted on 04/26/2005 9:46:29 AM PDT by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: churchillbuff
It is a big liberal,political cycle that must be stopped.Pence is the guy to do that.


BALTIMORE — House conservatives said yesterday they will fight for a Social Security plan that goes into effect immediately and includes larger private accounts than the president is calling for, and they will not accept an overall increase in Social Security entitlement spending.
"Conservatives want to see personal retirement accounts that have immediate relevance to younger Americans, that they can see the value, and that will require that they be big and that they be implemented in the final bill without delay," said Rep. Mike Pence, Indiana Republican and chairman of the 100-member Republican Study Committee (RSC).

About half of the RSC's members have been brainstorming in Baltimore the past two days at a retreat sponsored by the Heritage Foundation. Mr. Pence said the group has come to agreement on principles for fiscal discipline and Social Security, and are prepared to be the conservative balance trying to give the president the backing to pursue the boldest possible plans on both issues.
Mr. Pence has said he wanted to stake out a position early enough to avoid a repeat of the 2003 Medicare debate, when he thinks conservatives were late to object to the direction of the bill. Many conservatives were angered when President Bush signed off on a bill that lacked the reforms they had wanted.
Mr. Pence said this time around feels different.
"They're starting on conservative principles and working toward the middle instead of starting in the middle and then coming to the right," he said.


http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050204-113831-7251r.htm
38 posted on 04/26/2005 9:47:39 AM PDT by Gipper08
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To: DraftPence08; dubyaismypresident; KyleM; RockinRight; Justanobody; BransonRevival; ...

Mike Pence in 2008!


39 posted on 04/26/2005 9:49:57 AM PDT by Gipper08
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To: macaroona
That's just for starters. Just because I'm a Conservative, doesn't mean I'm a damn fool, or a patsy for the Republicans.

LOL, talk about taking someone to the woodshed! Welcome to FR, you'll do just fine here.

40 posted on 04/26/2005 9:50:35 AM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
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