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To: AmericanArchConservative

I can see you've had a lot of practice cut'n'pasting from what others have writen...

let's look at your tiniest "quote"

"(Q.9:5), slay them "

Now, no way THAT could be taken out of context, right ?



But it comes on the heels of

[9:4] If the idol worshipers sign a peace treaty with you, and do not violate it, nor band together with others against you, you shall fulfill your treaty with them until the expiration date. GOD loves the righteous.

... and explains what the options are if the peace is not extended.

[9:5] Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.




But you bring up an interesting point, the Koran specifically points out the signing of peace treaties and the righteousness of abiding by them.

http://www.submission.org/suras/sura9.html


82 posted on 04/27/2005 2:17:16 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling. ")
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To: RS

(Laughing)

If the best you can do is to question the specific context of two cited verses, and yourself cite a sura pertaining to the signing of peace treaties...then I believe I stand on solid ground yet. Interesting that they must have felt the need to get so specific in delineatingterms relevant to the striking and observation of peace treaties...

By extraction that might lead a reasonable person to infer and believe that:

1) they were frequently at war, and needed guidelines for treating with their avowed religious enemies,

2) that many of the Muslim leaders must have had nasty habits of breaking those treaties, or never honoring them in the first place

3) they must have always encountered significant resistance by non-muslims to obligatory "charitable giving".

(Is the Zagat a requird charitable gift, a "tax" on non-muslims to ensure their personal safety, or just a way for muslims in power to insure that non-muslims stay poor, oppressed, and out of power?)

Sorry but the verses which portray allah as merciful and forgiving, patient and longsuffering, are outnumbered, and superseded, and overshadowed by those which demand intolerance, violence and bloodshed in his behalf.

I stand by what I have presented. Our argument is not against fanaticism only, but against the very foundational tenets of the whole religion of Islam, which are the fountainhead and source of the threat to all non-muslims any and every time those tenets are practiced. It requires no leap of faith or logic to determine that - only a keen grasp of the obvious, attainable with a nominal study of Islam's 1,381 year history.

If they want to fully practice the basic precepts of their religion as they are clearly written and long interpreted, they are welcome to find a muslim country, relocate there, and do so within its borders. They are NOT welcome to do so in America. That would be incompatible with, and inescapably usurp our Constitution. We allow general freedom of worship, and protect it. Islam will not suffer other "competitors" to practice their faith freely; the Koran makes that plain.

A.A.C.

A.A.C.


83 posted on 04/27/2005 2:44:27 PM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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