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To: Evolution

"I showed you that Muslims read the hadith and follow it."

No, to be precise you showed me a site that claims to have people that follow the hadith, while not explaining by what authority they should. On the other hand I showed you a site that claims that Muslims should not follow the hadith, and quotes extensively from the Koran to show why they should not.


But that is not my point - there are over a billion Muslims, most of them who are NOT trying to kill you.

Look at the numbers... if a lone nut can blow up the OK Federal building, why are their not hundreds of IEDs going off all over Detroit ?


81 posted on 04/27/2005 1:56:06 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling. ")
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To: RS
. On the other hand I showed you a site that claims that Muslims should not follow the hadith, and quotes extensively from the Koran to show why they should not.

Your site does not represent MOST Muslims.

.Here is a better explanation of the Hadith and how MOST MUSLIMS use it

Go to any Mosque in America, they use the Hadith.

But that is not my point - there are over a billion Muslims, most of them who are NOT trying to kill you

They are not DIRECTLY trying to kill YOU. But they are through other methods. Look at Europe and how the Muslim population are growing and taking over. Soon they will be the majority and destroy Europe.

Here in America, Muslims are up to the same thing. Their Mosques support AL-Qaeda, and they are breeding like Rabbits inorder to take over.

Look at the numbers... if a lone nut can blow up the OK Federal building, why are their not hundreds of IEDs going off all over Detroit ?

That lone nut worked with Al-Qaeda, that was a Clinton coverup. That lone nut was a Muslim sypmpathizer who thought the US was abusing the Muslim world.

20 years ago you would be saying why arent planes being hijacked and crashed into buildings. Dont worry the IEDs and the bus bombings will happen here, if people listen to you and allow the monster of Islam to continue to grow in America.

Look at Isreal it is only 52% Jewish, the Muslims have a strong hold and are attacking. In many European Countries Muslims are 25% of the Population and growing, they are already rioting in the street, and attacking Europeans.

Once the Muslims have a comfortable number they will reach out and spread their peaceful faith through bombings, beatings, and other Islamic ways.

108 posted on 04/27/2005 6:51:40 PM PDT by Evolution
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To: RS; Convert from ECUSA; Gondring
"there are over a billion Muslims, most of them who are NOT trying to kill you."

Killing is an unnatural act for humans. Anyone raised in the majority of civilizations will resist killing a fellow human being. This is even so for Islamic states. (SIDENOTE: Even in the wild, animals must be taught to hunt. It's not "instinctual".)

The "code" of decency to abhor killing was written onto our souls before there were the Ten Commandments or Mosaic Law. Recall too, that after the survival of Noah's family after the great flood, God stated emphatically that killing is absolutely unacceptable since mankind is created in the image of God.

The very Arabic language is so entirely muddled that a clear understanding is impossible. Arabic isn't a strict language as compared to what Jewish Law has or the Latin that Catholic Law uses (perhaps this will change and Arabic Law will be written in stone with unchanging meaning!). For Judeo-Christian ethics, "yes" means "yes" and "no" means "no". Arabic writing or speaking in one form doesn't translate equally to other Arabic or Islamic cultures. The English language has similar weaknesses (when colloquial and pop songs rely on reversing the meaning of "bad", "sick", "wicked", "dope", etc.). But writing law maintains the discipline of keeping the language strict. Evidence of confusing a language has been used dupe people to carry out horrors running against the very grain of human nature. That's why Hitler's and Stalin's propaganda and policy closely reflect exactly what Islam has always been. Islamic practice/enforcement of jihad's killing proves that it's nature is akin to liberals using abortion as a means of sexual liberation. (The Bible, especially the Book of Revelations, clearly warns against such errors). But to be fair to those Arabic and Muslim cultures, many have only recently been in communication to more advanced cultures that have already experienced the mistakes of having a language twisted on its users. Furthermore, even now, Americans are being duped into murdering their own unborn and executing their elderly via twisting language to adopt an abhorrent Culture of Death.

What makes the Jewish descendants of Abraham great, in this respect (relationship to the Unchanging and Everlasting God), is the Divine Revelation of God to Abraham. For all others, it's our gift and requirement to find Salvation through the Jews. God's Word is unchanging and God's Nature is not fickle. You won't find a similar nature in Allah. If the natures are not the same, then there's an absolute difference. The God of Abraham is not the god of Mohamed. Allah always has been and always will be a pagan deity.

(RS, I doubt that anyone will win a sympathetic audience in the Free Republic concerning the original script or translations of the Koran. It's a document of dubious origin and horrendous translations. It's a tool used by those needing a catalyst for wicked and unethical behavior. The Masterful writing of the Holy Bible, Old and New Testament so completely exceeds the Koran that the Islamic Cult can't even hold a candle to this Light. Any reasonable mind seeking greatness will reject the lesser.)

Billions and Billions:

There are over a billion Muslims, but that's not a number with real significance. There are over a billion Catholics, over a billion Chinese, over a billion Indians, etc. Why is the "billion" number meaningless? If the very Catholics in the United States had been serious about their religion, they would never have looked at John Kerry twice. Furthermore, if John Kerry were really the "Catholic" he pretended to be, he wouldn't be what he is today. As you mentioned, if American Muslims had truly embraced Islam, then there would be mass murders here in America. Thus, Muslims may be born into the cult, but that they don't follow its heresy to the letter of its indefinable law demonstrates that these individuals are reasonable enough to ignore what's impracticable and/or an abomination to the soul. That "Catholics" would erroneously elevate the Culture of Death and freely vote for its disastrous suicidal agenda also proves that human nature can err even when it's been given a clear message to resist such evil.

In conclusion, the obedience we owe God is to keep His Commandment of not killing. Death may happen as an indirect result to resist evil, but we don't yet have less than lethal weapons to halt resolute enemies bent on evil. Pope John Paul II was right to state that the war on terrorism in Iraq doesn't meet a Just War doctrine. But he was also right in stating that the world cannot live under the oppression of terrorism (the mission of the Vatican is to win souls for Christ which supersedes cat and mouse politics between states and cultures). Islam will fall to the wickedness of its own errors and to the other enemies of Christ (as Soviet Communist occupation in Afghanistan fell to Jihad resistance, secularism and the Culture of Death is a far greater enemy to Islam). This is evidence of God's Divine Justice as it's very rare that the Supernatural obliterates wickedness by natural cataclysmic events/disasters (but it does happen...Exodus and the falling meteor). Judeo-Christian ethics call for "fighting the good fight". Resistance is mostly through a Sacramental life and sometimes, though not a requirement, via martyrdom for proclaiming Truth. Jesus never swung a sword at his enemies. His Words were enough and powerful enough that the only written words He left were traces in sand to stop the stoning of a woman.

The Life of Christ is triumphant over sin and death.
116 posted on 04/27/2005 7:11:00 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (May the Blessed Virgin guide mankind's effort to reaching a Just and lasting Peace.)
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