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To: Fred Nerks

>"The day I worry myself over anything that islam might disapprove of, I quit. Let them tidy up their own sh*t heap first."<

ROTFLM*O!

This does raise an excellent point in its own right: should we be openly rooting for the Muslim youth to be diverted and misdirected away from the intrinsic opressiveness of muhammadism into the mainstream of Western culture and society by the magnetic, yet somewhat perverse allure of achievement, and the wealth and materialism which can grow out of it, and travel further down the road of spiritual desolation that can overtake many...?

Or do we hope that somewhere along the line they will have a positively transforming encounter with an honest witness for Christ?

In my perception, it seems that the average Islamist parent would much rather their male children pursue the pleasures of the flesh (which can later apparently be justified away as part of their necessary 'taqiyyah') than to take Christ into their hearts which carries the penalty of death for the apostate Muslim and whomever "converted" them?

Their female children, on the other hand, are apparently quite disposable either way if they shame the family...

I think I have already long since earned the death sentence, because years ago, a girlfriend and I gave an NIV Bible to an Iranian girl (Flora) who was a fellow student at college. Some of Flor's Muslim male friends at college were openly critical of me for giving it, and her for keeping it, but this was back in the day when those little pr**ks knew to behave themselves in America, so despite the menacing glances and vaguely-worded threats, she kept it - and she read it!

How do I know? Because I met her again some 19 years later - no longer a Muslim, and no longer married to the rigid, emotionally abusive, and restrictive Iranian Muslim man she had been with - but a single Christian woman, working in the real estate business.

She's making a nice living, slender, well-dressed, and fabulously good-looking.

So there is hope for our culture and our religious examples to triumph in many of their lives, IMHO - but we better not lay aside our vigilance, nor our suspicions to bet the farm on it.

What was the operative phrase in the Reagan administration, after Gipperus Ronaldus Magnus succeeded in getting the Soviets' attention with his "Evil Empire" observation, and his unforgettable,"Ladies and gentlemen I'm pleased to announce...bombing begins in five minutes." comment - made "accidentally" (oh yeah, right!) on air just ahead of a scheduled radio address...

Oh yeah, now I remember, "Trust, but verify."

*Sigh! The world could use hearing some tough talk like that again...Personal friends of mine in Russia - including a former Soviet Admiral, Sergei Aleksandrovich (no kidding!) whose command was all the sub and frigate fleets in the Indian Ocean, a former Soviet fighter pilot, Kostya, and a former KGB assassin, Pavel (whose work was limited to domestic front targets in the USSR only) all agreed when the leadership in the Kremlin heard those words, they literally began to shake in their poorly cobbled boots, worried that Reagan might actually mean it and have the guts to back it up.

Said more succinctly, Teddy Roosevelt-style, "Walk softly and carry a big stick."

A.A.C.

(In the trenches, you can count on me. I've got your back!)


54 posted on 04/27/2005 1:16:32 AM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: AmericanArchConservative

"This does raise an excellent point in its own right: should we be openly rooting for the Muslim youth to be diverted and misdirected away from the intrinsic opressiveness of muhammadism into the mainstream of Western culture and society by the magnetic, yet somewhat perverse allure of achievement, and the wealth and materialism which can grow out of it, and travel further down the road of spiritual desolation that can overtake many...?"

We don't have to! It happens naturally and that's what frightens the clerics.

"Or do we hope that somewhere along the line they will have a positively transforming encounter with an honest witness for Christ?"

Given enough freedom i.e., the opportunity for an encounter with an honest witness for Christ, is the outcome that terrifies the clerics.

"In my perception, it seems that the average Islamist parent would much rather their male children pursue the pleasures of the flesh (which can later apparently be justified away as part of their necessary 'taqiyyah') than to take Christ into their hearts which carries the penalty of death for the apostate Muslim and whomever "converted" them?"

Simple choice for a muslim parent? Only apostasy carries the death penalty.

"Their female children, on the other hand, are apparently quite disposable either way if they shame the family..."

A woman has little value in islam. Sheep, goats and camels count for more. Remember, islam still 'lives' in the desert and the 'time' is one and a half millenia ago.

"I think I have already long since earned the death sentence, because years ago, a girlfriend and I gave an NIV Bible to an Iranian girl (Flora) who was a fellow student at college. Some of Flor's Muslim male friends at college were openly critical of me for giving it, and her for keeping it, but this was back in the day when those little pr**ks knew to behave themselves in America, so despite the menacing glances and vaguely-worded threats, she kept it - and she read it!"

Before CAIR? Before the Saudi Wahhabi began to spend billions in the US building mosques, islamic culture centres; before the Saudi's gave millions to US Universities, before the ACLU took up the cause of islam...things certainly changed after 9/11. (sarc.)

"How do I know? Because I met her again some 19 years later - no longer a Muslim, and no longer married to the rigid, emotionally abusive, and restrictive Iranian Muslim man she had been with - but a single Christian woman, working in the real estate business."

Women have the potential to destroy islam. The clerics are terrified!

"She's making a nice living, slender, well-dressed, and fabulously good-looking."

We had one in Brisbane. She left her Iranian husband, went to work, bought a house, her son was a useless lay-a-bout, threatened her because she 'dressed like a whore' - she had to throw him out of the house. Next, the husband came knocking. He had nowhere to live. Couldn't keep a job, everything offered him was too 'demeaning', but he would have liked nothing better than to live off her. She sent him packing as well! Stunning looking woman, 52 years of age, full of energy and optimism. The men were parasites.

"So there is hope for our culture and our religious examples to triumph in many of their lives, IMHO - but we better not lay aside our vigilance, nor our suspicions to bet the farm on it."

Because the clerics are terrified! And that's when the 'beast' is the most dangerous. "When Islam Breaks Down" http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1115880/posts

"What was the operative phrase in the Reagan administration, after Gipperus Ronaldus Magnus succeeded in getting the Soviets' attention with his "Evil Empire" observation, and his unforgettable,"Ladies and gentlemen I'm pleased to announce...bombing begins in five minutes." comment - made "accidentally" (oh yeah, right!) on air just ahead of a scheduled radio address...

Oh yeah, now I remember, "Trust, but verify."

Verify. Verify. Verify. After a thousand years, Trust!

"*Sigh! The world could use hearing some tough talk like that again...Personal friends of mine in Russia - including a former Soviet Admiral, Sergei Aleksandrovich (no kidding!) whose command was all the sub and frigate fleets in the Indian Ocean, a former Soviet fighter pilot, Kostya, and a former KGB assassin, Pavel (whose work was limited to domestic front targets in the USSR only) all agreed when the leadership in the Kremlin heard those words, they literally began to shake in their poorly cobbled boots, worried that Reagan might actually mean it and have the guts to back it up."

Brilliant! I want a friend named Sergei Aleksandrovich too, (not too sure about the others) but meanwhile I'm quite happy to note that the clerics are terrified! http://muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/islamgrows.html

'Said more succinctly, Teddy Roosevelt-style, "Walk softly and carry a big stick."'

An Aussie might say 'I wouldn't trust the b*st*rds as far as I can kick them.'

(In the trenches, you can count on me. I've got your back!)

Ditto!

Fred.


55 posted on 04/27/2005 3:08:31 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Proud to be an Aussie.)
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To: AmericanArchConservative
"She's making a nice living, slender, well-dressed, and fabulously good-looking."

Catherine Bell in Marine Corps dress blues (sigh). There is a God...and YES! HE is a MAN! The proof is that He made women, beautiful women, women so gorgeous as to say, "Making beautiful women is my way showing man that I love him."

AmericanArchConservative, please hand out more Bibles to Iranian women.

Thank you.

P.S. I have a Marine Corps uniform in storage. It's fitted for me (I am a man), but I'll bet it looks good on a woman (fantasy role playing...or, whatever).
124 posted on 04/27/2005 7:41:46 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (May the Blessed Virgin guide mankind's effort to reaching a Just and lasting Peace.)
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