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>"Looks like the Sudan government is reving up the local fanatics to make a few bucks. Hard to tell if there would have been any "religious" problems there if there wasn't any oil money to be gotten."<

Hard to tell? My curiosity continues unabated as to how the obvious could again prove so elusive. What is it that suggests that their lust for wealth, their desire to impose Islam at swordpoint, and destroy any other religion or culture are all somehow unrelated, mutually exclusive goals, things which just came about by happenstance, rather than being integrated as parts of one large whole?

Why is it that the accounts of Islam's war efforts, conquests, and other infamies are so strikingly similar, whether the historical perspective is:

1) a survey of 700 years of Arab muslim aggression against India,

2) one of centuries of North African Moorish muslim brutalities against Spain, Portugal and parts of France,

3) or Ottoman Turkish muslim viciousness carried to the doorsteps of Vienna (part in a continuous series of efforts to subjugate Europe, beginning at or before their defeat in the 700's by Charles Martel's forces, culminating in Suleiman's assault in 1529, and resurfacing yet again in 1683 when Mustafa was turned back by Poles and Germans)

4) Arab muslim conquest of Egypt,

or 5) Arab muslim conquest of Persia's Sassanid empire in the mid seventh century, where warring Arab muslim dynasties subsequently ruled for over 200 years before Turkic muslims succeeded them.

6) the 1915 Ottoman Turkic muslim genocide of more than one million Armenian Christians, "The Turks summoned all the Armenians who were in the army, and had them killed, blaming them for their war troubles. Next, they rounded up the important men in society, the clergy, newspaper editors, and other tradesmen, and had them executed...The main way of annihilation in the Armenian genocide was the Turks forcing the Armenians to leave their homes. The Turks used deportation to do the killing. They forced the Armenians to march for a long way, and allowed Turks and Kurds to rape, abduct, kill, and steal from the many Armenians marching through the countryside. Many died of starvation, murder, and exposure. Those who finally made it to the forced destination, the desert, were put in camps and died or were killed."

(source:hyperhistory.net/apwh/essays/comp/cw31genocideArmenianKurd.htm)

The list does go on. There is entirely too much evidence (from every religion, country, and culture that Islam has affected by its inherently warlike and intolerant spread) for one man to adequately research and present in a limited discussion format.

It couldn't be because those Islam-driven empires all derived their impetus from a common source...could it? That might offer some insight as to why the same actions are happening in the 20th and 21st century - gang raping and mutilation of non-muslim women (including Sudanese Christian, Pakistani, Filipina Catholics and Buddhists, Indian hindu...) beheading of "infidels", mass-murder and general mayhem all across the globe - that were occurring in Islam's wake in the fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, tenth, eleventh, thirteenth, sixteenth centuries?

There appears, to the untrained eye of a reasonable man (or woman) a large degree of intractibility to this oppressive cult of greed, rape, and murder. Something not quite a religion, in a conventionally positive, spiritually transformative sense.

Sure they want to control oil-rich lands! If they gain and maintain control of such wealth, they will have the tools to insure that no people under their thumb ever gainsay the resources to rise up and take arms against them, shake free of their enslavement, and choose their religions,their government, their lives - for themselves.

Call me crazy if you must, but it makes sense to me, and I think maybe - just maybe - I'm seeing a sort of pattern of behavior begin to emerge...

A.A.C.