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To: Fred Nerks

Had to find something that maes some kind of sense -

Since you did not give a souce link for your post, and my source gives

[47:37] If He asked you for money, to the extent of creating a hardship for you, you might have become stingy, and your hidden evil might be exposed.

which is not even close
I looked to the nearest verse that seemed about the same, figuring it was a typo -

So - What was your source for post 308 ? Since now both the verses in your quote seem to be screwed.


332 posted on 05/01/2005 9:18:02 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling. ")
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To: RS

What are we playing here? Is it Ask the Imam Time? OK. I'll play.

Dear Imam. RS provided me with a link to a site from which I cut and pasted some information. I used that information in a comment I made in response to a question. Now it seems the numbers don't tally, or the words aren't quite the same. What should I do? Tear my hair out? Both versions came from the same site. Now that doesn't mean the same source, we know that, because there are as many interpretations of the 'verses' in the koran as there are leaves on the trees in a forest. Entire 'universities' in the ME filled with 'scholars' do nothing but read and interprete the koran and the 62 volumnes of ahadith and the numerous gilded versions of the Life of the 'Prophet' and the Saudi's have spent some 60 billion dollars in recent decades endowing Chairs of Islamic Studies in Western Universities and filling islamic booskstores -free-with wahhabi literature but they still can't agree or get the numbers nor the interpretations to align with each other...so what am I to do?

Imam...Imam...are you there?


335 posted on 05/01/2005 9:38:22 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: RS

Scholars Scrutinize the Koran's Origin:
http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/02/03/1bkk/04b.html
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A return to the earliest Koran, Mr. Puin and others suggest, might lead to a more tolerant brand of Islam, as well as one that is more conscious of its close ties to both Judaism and Christianity.

"It is serious and exciting work," Ms. Crone said of Mr. Luxenberg's work. Jane McAuliffe, a professor of Islamic studies at Georgetown University, has asked Mr. Luxenberg to contribute an essay to the Encyclopedia of the Koran, which she is editing.

Mr. Puin would love to see a "critical edition" of the Koran produced, one based on recent philological work, but, he says, "the word critical is misunderstood in the Islamic world — it is seen as criticizing or attacking the text."

Some Muslim authors have begun to publish skeptical, revisionist work on the Koran as well. Several new volumes of revisionist scholarship, The Origins of the Koran, and The Quest for the Historical Muhammad, have been edited by a former Muslim who writes under the pen name Ibn Warraq. Mr. Warraq, who heads a group called the Institute for the Secularization of Islamic Society, makes no bones about having a political agenda.
The actual reward in paradise: White raisins
"Biblical scholarship has made people less dogmatic, more open," he said, "and I hope that happens to Muslim society as well."

But many Muslims find the tone and claims of revisionism offensive. "I think the broader implications of some of the revisionist scholarship is to say that the Koran is not an authentic book, that it was fabricated 150 years later," says Ebrahim Moosa, a professor of religious studies at Duke University, as well as a Muslim cleric whose liberal theological leanings earned him the animosity of fundamentalists in South Africa, which he left after his house was firebombed.

Andrew Rippin, an Islamicist at the University of Victoria in British Columbia, Canada, says that freedom of speech in the Islamic world is more likely to evolve from within the Islamic interpretative tradition than from outside attacks on it. Approaches to the Koran that are now branded as heretical — interpreting the text metaphorically rather than literally — were widely practiced in mainstream Islam a thousand years ago.

"When I teach the history of the interpretation it is eye-opening to students the amount of independent thought and diversity of interpretation that existed in the early centuries of Islam," Mr. Rippin says. "It was only in more recent centuries that there was a need for limiting interpretation."


337 posted on 05/01/2005 9:53:50 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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