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To: bondserv
If what you say is true there should be no problem including Intelligent Design in the classrooms at our schools and universities.

That the universe is created by an intelligent designer could be taught as a philosophy, or theology course, but as a science course, because it cannot be backed up with naturalistic evidence.

The political movement known as "Intelligent Design" wants the idea to be taught as science.

Many theistic evolutionists know their theistic beliefs are seperate from science. They are not advocates of the "Intelligent Design" movement just becuase they believe in God. Many of them in fact are opponents because they know Intelligent Design is not science. There are many "factions" involved and it isn't as simple as saying all evolutionists are atheists. In fact bizarrely enough there is nothing stopping an atheist from accepting Intelligent Design.

Contrast this issue with the belief in astrology. Lots of scientists believe in astrology. But that does not mean astrology should be incorperated into their work, or taught as science in schools.

The powers that be reject anything short of atheistic evolution. Try telling a professor that you believe God was involved, just as the proffessor believes a god was not involved.

You should get the same result as if you had told a professor you believe alien races were involved. Any good proffessor won't have a problem with your personal beliefs. They'd only have a problem if you disrupt their class or start weaving non-science (be it astrology, intelligent design, or whatever) into your work.

When is the last time you saw NOVA describe the theistic evolutionist perspective?

Which one? There are many. You could have a Hindu theistic evolutionist, or a Muslim theistic evolutionist for example.

Dunno what NOVA is. But remember that "theistic evolutionist" is a statement of both a theological and scientific belief. If NOVA is some sort of science think then they won't cover the theology part.

116 posted on 04/23/2005 1:08:38 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: bobdsmith
Dunno what NOVA is. But remember that "theistic evolutionist" is a statement of both a theological and scientific belief. If NOVA is some sort of science think then they won't cover the theology part.

NOVA is the PBS television series that popularizes science. The only time they touch on religion is when it's part of the story (Medieval history, Egyptian mummies, Chinese emperors, etc.)

118 posted on 04/23/2005 1:20:25 PM PDT by dread78645 (Sarcasm tags are for wusses.)
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To: bobdsmith
The political movement known as "Intelligent Design" wants the idea to be taught as science.

You are missing the only point for having an Intelligent Design perspective. These creationists are intentionally restricting their information and commentary to naturalistic discoveries and logical conclusions that can be deduced thereby.

Many theistic evolutionists know their theistic beliefs are seperate from science. They are not advocates of the "Intelligent Design" movement just becuase they believe in God. Many of them in fact are opponents because they know Intelligent Design is not science. There are many "factions" involved and it isn't as simple as saying all evolutionists are atheists. In fact bizarrely enough there is nothing stopping an atheist from accepting Intelligent Design.

How can anyone be intellectually honest with themselves and set aside something as foundational as "God created and sustains our universe", to a group of people who are forcing an opposite perspective down peoples throats. Cowardice comes to mind in my lexicon. Atheistic Evolutionists tolerate Theistic Evolutionists because they know TE's won't upset the apple cart. TE's carefully separate their faith from the rest of their life a la John Kerry!

We stand or fall with those one chooses to align oneself with. One can relegate foundational truths to philosophy class if one has that weak a faith.

God has revealed to me and billions of others how His truths are eternal, and the thoughts of men can and are usually wrong. He has proven this truth by sending His Son to die and be resurrected as authentication of His message. The most well preserved documented event in ancient history. Yet, men will seek their own path in denial of the most important event in history, by relegating the things He said to a philsophy class.

Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

For me Jesus Christ's words trump the arogant scientists who put their ideas over God's written word. Having reviewed the science, I am still convinced from a secular point of view that God's word still stands.

120 posted on 04/23/2005 1:34:44 PM PDT by bondserv (Alignment is critical! †)
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