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To: betty boop
How can something evolve from nothing?

Not sure about the evolve thing but maybe the power of the continuum is at work in the physical universe. It permits a sufficient amount of zeros to amount to something.

110 posted on 04/23/2005 11:50:13 AM PDT by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem)
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To: laredo44; Alamo-Girl; marron; Ronzo; cornelis; js1138; PatrickHenry
...maybe the power of the continuum is at work in the physical universe. It permits a sufficient amount of zeros to amount to something.

Possibly, laredo. But then wouldn't we need to ask about the nature of the continuum, such that it permits an accumulation of "nothings" to become "somethings?" In this case, it would seem that the continuum is not itself "ultimate," but itself rests on a deeper principle.

When you speak of the "continuum," are you referring to the space/time continuum? It is now widely believed that the space/time continuum had a beginning in time, which strongly implies causation by or from a non-temporal source. One imagines that the structure of reality that we observe to some extent reflects the intention of its creative source. In other words, the void of total nothingness -- analogous to your accumulation of zeros -- in order to be converted into a living universe, required the imposition of a creative intelligence. Otherwise, the universe would still be an accumulation of zeros -- in other words, a nothing.

It seems obvious that the space/time continuum evolves in time. That evolution seems to be strongly correlated with principles that do not change, although the world is manifested by means of change. This is an ancient insight, going back to Heraclitus.

But recently, a friend has updated this insight based on his musings about a "cybernetic universe":

"The body of the universe of relations is ever changing. And so certain relations may be presently inactivated and others activated — but the main organization of the body of the universe of relations remains unaffected. Not only is the phenomenal world changing, but also the multidimensional body of the universe of relations. What does not change — the unchanging eternal rules — belongs to the world of logic. This means that the world of relations does not have only a narrow extension coupled strongly to the world of phenomena, but has an extension into a deeper reality behind the surface of the concrete phenomenal world.

"The ultimate reality cannot be a concrete reality, because concrete realities are generated, shaped in a complex process. The ultimate reality can be only the cosmic organizational factor. One of our most important results is that reality is not exhausted by concrete phenomena....

"Life lives at the frontier between the realms of Finite Existence and Infinity. Non-Existence is filled with all potential possibilities, and all potential possibilities at all levels of existence form together an infinite realm that is called Infinity. Infinity is the infinite chain of all potential possibilities in their chain reactions driven by a creative agent. At each link in this chain a generative agent recreates the potential possibilities towards a complete coverage of all possible possibilities, driving them towards infinite fertility. In comparison, Existence is but a small morsel, a string of beads on the thread of Infinity. The realm of the Finite cannot exist without the realm of Infinity, since the Finite can change only by its connection with Infinity, and it can maintain itself only by continuously changing." [A. Grandpierre, "The Nature of the Universe"; emphasis added.]

135 posted on 04/24/2005 10:16:16 AM PDT by betty boop (If everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking. -- Gen. George S. Patton)
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