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BREAKING: Charges Dropped Against Army Reservist Accused Of Holding Group of Illegals At Gunpoint
KFYI - 550AM - Phoenix, AZ via PHXNews | 21 April 2005 | KFYI Hound

Posted on 04/21/2005 4:14:44 PM PDT by Spiff

KFYI is Reporting:

CHARGES HAVE BEEN DROPPED against Army reservist Patrick Haab who was accused of holding a group of illegals at gunpoint.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderintruders; borderinvasion; bordersecurity; bushamnesty; criminalinvaders; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; mmp; patrickhaab
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To: TomGuy
"BP asked the aliens if they wanted to press charges against the Sgt. They did."

My, how astonishing that these law breaking illegals wanted to "press charges", no doubt after learning all about that option from the friendly BP types. Pathetic...

41 posted on 04/21/2005 5:06:36 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Tarantulas

he was way out of line on this case......you can have him


42 posted on 04/21/2005 5:06:58 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: Spiff

bump


43 posted on 04/21/2005 5:07:55 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: kingattax

You're right. I heard him on the radio the other day and I think he's believing his press a little too much. Happens all the time.


44 posted on 04/21/2005 5:10:34 PM PDT by beandog (The only time I was wrong was the time I thought I was wrong)
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To: Spiff

There never should have been any charges.


45 posted on 04/21/2005 5:17:04 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: Spiff

Thank God! Everyone here was really, really angry about this.


46 posted on 04/21/2005 5:18:26 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: kingattax
he was way out of line on this case......you can have him

We do have him, and we're glad. I'm a proud member of his Sheriff's Posse and I've seen him speak many times. He's an honorable guy who supports his people. Sure, he's a publicity hound, but that's part of the reason for his huge popularity. You should also remember that it was the Deputies, not the Sheriff, who arrested Haab. They made a determination at the time that a crime had been committed and took him into custody. The Sheriff himself explained it best:

"He's got his story, we've got ours and that's what the criminal justice system is for -- to get to the bottom of this," Arpaio said.

As for the other comment, here's the complete context:

Arpaio said he stands by his deputies' decision to arrest Haab.

"He had no authority, no right to do what he did," Arpaio said. "If they are illegal, it's not the biggest crime in the world. Where is the justification to pull a gun on a minor kind of crime?

"I have a lot of respect for the military, and I know the mentality over there. On the other hand, military are not above the law, too, when they are out here in the private sector in getting involved with this kind of situation. You could get killed or you could kill someone else, and it's not worth it.

"Don't take the law into your own hands."

And the County Attorney echoed the Sheriff's words:

Thomas urged citizens to recognize the risk of making a citizens' arrest, and reminded the public that the right of citizens' arrest is available under very specific circumstances and if engaged in unlawfully will result in prosecution.

BTW, the County Attorney was recently elected and is a big Second Amendment supporter. I think a much needed improvement over the previous guy.

47 posted on 04/21/2005 5:19:47 PM PDT by Tarantulas
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To: Spiff

I wonder if they realized that he was just doing what he was sworn to do? Like defend the US constitution and all that?

He never had so much as the smallest of chances of being dragged into court over this. If he was any good lawyer would have made them admitt that they were trying to make him disobey his oath.


48 posted on 04/21/2005 5:22:24 PM PDT by crz
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To: Spiff

Thank goodness!


49 posted on 04/21/2005 5:23:11 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: Salo
Good. I don't see what crime it could possibly be performing a citizen's arrest on people who are not citizens and have no rights.

Sorry, popular misconception. Aliens do have rights:

18 USC 241: Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien...

50 posted on 04/21/2005 5:23:12 PM PDT by Grut
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To: Tarantulas

Is it illegal to pull a gun on a burglar in Arizona? Because that's what illegal aliens are.


51 posted on 04/21/2005 5:25:05 PM PDT by Salo
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To: TomGuy
I heard him on one of the radio talk programs a few days ago.

That would be Sean Hannity, talked to him for a long time. I hate Sean when he debates lefties to show how smart he is (why give them free air time?) But when the chips are down in a case like this, Sean, you da man!

52 posted on 04/21/2005 5:26:23 PM PDT by lancer (If you are not with us, you are against us!)
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To: Tarantulas
Everyone I know is really pissed at Sheriff Joe over this one. He was way out of line. He'd better decide whose side he's going to be on in this matter.

It's so out of hand that I can't even recognize most of Phoenix anymore.

53 posted on 04/21/2005 5:40:26 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: devolve

Glad to hear they're not prosecuting someone they should have been saying 'thank you' to!!


54 posted on 04/21/2005 5:45:29 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Grut

Do you happen to know when that section was added? Or was it just not enforced until the 1970's??


55 posted on 04/21/2005 5:48:52 PM PDT by Tammy8
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To: TomGuy
They appeard that they were going to attack him, so he brought out his gun and actually apprehended them.

What puzzles me about the story is that even after their confrontation was over, the perp continued the encounter after they had retreated into their vehicle.

56 posted on 04/21/2005 5:53:23 PM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Spiff

Good! Were the illegal aliens sent back?


57 posted on 04/21/2005 5:55:29 PM PDT by lara
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To: Spiff
"This is not a green light to intimidate, threaten, or detain anyone merely suspected of being in this country illegally. Mere presence in the U.S. illegally is a crime, but not in itself a felony, so other factors must be present in order to justify a citizens' arrest. In this case, the other factor was the human smuggling," Thomas added.

LOL that's certainly a stretch Mr. Thomas. No where was it ever mentioned that the perp witnessed what he thought was 'human smuggling'. Talk about being soft on crime.

58 posted on 04/21/2005 5:56:46 PM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Grut

I wonder if Haab can be sued in civil court for what he did?


59 posted on 04/21/2005 6:01:43 PM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: potlatch; Happy2BMe; B4Ranch; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; Travis McGee; Smartass; DoughtyOne


Interest thing is that AZ state woman rep was speaking on Sean Hannity's show for the AZ Democrat Caucus and the ACLU and stated that people entering the USA illegally face 1 year in prison and a $5000 fine for each person

Add to that state and federal illegal documents in possession and used in the USA illegally of illegal aliens and you have serious felonies




60 posted on 04/21/2005 6:04:02 PM PDT by devolve (My WWII Tribute: http://pro.lookingat.us/WhiteCliffsOfDover.html - more traffic than DU-Koz-LDot -)
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