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To: politicket
"Have you read any of the Bible?"

I certainly have, and it instructs women to be modest, not to be flopping their breasts out in public to breastfeed.

"Breastfeeding is about the most natural thing out there! Get over your hangups."

Urinating is natural too. Get over your own hangups.

111 posted on 04/21/2005 11:31:34 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

Fair warning, its not worth arguing with this guy. Seriously, he's the reason I got my tagline.


115 posted on 04/21/2005 11:33:13 AM PDT by MahaMarty (This'll probably get me suspended...AGAIN!)
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To: MEGoody

When was the last time you saw a woman 'flop it out' to beastfeed? Aren't you projecting a little?

I mean really, I've seen many women nursing babies in 'public', most of whom I only knew they were nursing because I was with them. If you casually walk by you see nothing but a baby in the arms of a mom. All nursing women I know wear breastfeeding shirts that are very discreet.

Honestly, I think a lot of neuroses have come about since we began trying to separate ourselves from the natural world. We are mammals after all, it is unnatural to feed from bottles, never see a breast except in sex and think that meat comes in packages of plastic wrap. "Civilization" has made us into weanies.


119 posted on 04/21/2005 11:36:57 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: MEGoody
From last August:

Breast-feeding wins, personal freedom loses

Let me begin this way: I’m all in favor of mothers breast-feeding their babies. There is considerable evidence documenting the benefits of the practice. I believe mothers should breast-feed babies if at all possible.

Having said that, I think a new Illinois law that permits women to nurse anywhere they like is unwise.

It’s the latest example of a trend we increasingly see. If anyone does something that you find disagreeable, you don’t have to accept it. You don’t even have to try to persuade them to change their mind. What you do is run to the government and have a law passed to make people do what you think they should.

In this case, according to Sunday’s Chicago Tribune, the aggrieved party was a LaGrange woman. Last year when she was in a health club, a manager asked her to not beast-feed in the day-care area because other customers may have found it offensive. Two alternative areas were suggested, but neither was satisfactory to the nursing mother.

Now if I go into a business and don’t like its policies, I can do one of three things. I can try to get the company to change the offending rule. If that fails, I can choose to just accept the policy and grumble to myself as necessary for my mental health.

The last alternative is to stop patronizing that business. If the company’s rule is that distasteful and the dispute can’t be settled another way, that’s a right we all have.

The LaGrange woman took a different approach. The Tribune reports she contacted the American Civil Liberties Union, Governor Blagojevich and several state legislators.

I don’t know if she got much help from the ACLU. That organization is usually busy protecting the interests of atheists, rapists, murderers and child molesters.

The woman also wrote to the governor’s wife, Patti. This is remarkable. Last time I checked, the governor’s wife wasn’t listed anywhere on the organization chart of those responsible for changing laws.

Anyway, the universally acclaimed result of these contacts is that on Monday Gov. Rod — I wonder what his real first name is — Blagojevich signed a law allowing women to breast-feed wherever they want. In a move sure to please trial lawyers, women can take to court any business or agency that tries to keep them from nursing.

And so Illinois joins the pack. In the past decade more than 20 states have approved similar legislation. On the Federal level, there has even been legislation introduced that would include breast-feeding mothers under the Civil Rights Act.

Breast-feeding in public is slightly controversial. Some adults are uncomfortable seeing a woman nurse her baby, even if done with discretion and modesty. Apparently it’s not always done that way. Last November in Kansas, according to the Lawrence Journal-World, a man complained that his son had been exposed to a woman’s “parts” by nursing her nine-month old in a fitness center.

So you have individuals on both sides of the issue, an issue of less than paramount importance to the general public and one on which reasonable people can honestly differ. If there were ever a controversy crying out for the heavy hand of government to not get involved, this is it. Yet Rod and/or Patti decided another law is necessary. I have a modest proposal on how to settle disagreements such as these. I know it’ll sound extreme, principally to our purported leaders, but here goes:

Why not let the individual business determine what its policy on matters like this will be?

Sure, I realize that’s an out-of-date, seemingly unrealistic resolution to some folks. Yet it’s the way we operated in this country for most of our history.

The owner of property, whether it’s a health club, a coffee shop, a business or an apartment, has the right to do with it as he or she sees fit unless there is some compelling public implication.

The owner establishes the rules. If a patron doesn’t like them, he or she has the right to patronize another place. No rights have been lost.

That’s not the case when government clumsily meddles with free enterprise. If the state needlessly mandates how a business will be run, the owner’s rights have been violated.

The breast-feeding law won’t be viewed as a major loss of anyone’s liberties. It’s yet more chipping away, little by little. Many times, however, that’s precisely how rights are surrendered. One day we’ll wonder where they all went.

131 posted on 04/21/2005 11:50:20 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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