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President signs bankruptcy bill
CNN/Money ^ | April 20, 2005: 3:24 PM EDT | Jeanne Sahadi

Posted on 04/20/2005 1:22:05 PM PDT by atrocitor

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) – President Bush on Wednesday signed into law a bankruptcy reform bill that will make it harder for individuals to clear their debts through bankruptcy.

So, experts say, if you were thinking about filing for bankruptcy, you might think twice -- or act twice as quickly, since major provisions of the law will go into effect six months from the day the law is signed.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bankruptcy; billsigning; bush43
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To: WOSG
Almost all personal bankruptcies are were voluntary actions
101 posted on 04/20/2005 9:39:19 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: Rakkasan1
Exactly, this bill is so modest I can't believe the reaction on this forum. $100 per month max for 5 years max, and only for someone making over $5000 or so per month depending on the median income of his state.

To those who say "When will the rates go down?" Most offers I get are 0%, I don't see how they can get any lower than that! (And I did keep a large balance at 0% for three or four years before I got tired of writing the checks. Paid it off from the savings account I had earning interest on the side the entire time.)

The credit card industry is very competitive, and this will propably be good for consumers (who plan to pay back what they borrow) in terms of slightly better credit card deals, but this bill is so modest it would not be expected to affect rates much.

102 posted on 04/20/2005 10:11:14 PM PDT by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: atrocitor

That seems normal


103 posted on 04/21/2005 4:28:36 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Caution. Contents under pressure.)
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To: Dave S

Keep reading down the thread.


104 posted on 04/21/2005 4:29:20 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Caution. Contents under pressure.)
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To: atrocitor

MoveOn.org is already broadcasting a radio ad against our local Congress critter for voting for the bill. And it's one of the sleaziest ads I've ever heard. The funny thing is those ding-a-lings at MoveOn bought the ad time during Limbaugh's show, so that anyone listening will likely already know what a steaming pile of excrement it is that MoveOn is shovelling.


105 posted on 04/21/2005 4:33:14 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Redcloak

LOL


106 posted on 04/21/2005 4:33:20 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Caution. Contents under pressure.)
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To: GrandEagle

Vigilance in all matters is the only way to live.


107 posted on 04/21/2005 4:37:39 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Caution. Contents under pressure.)
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To: GrandEagle

I taught my kids about credit cards and they listened. Ignorance is not an excuse. A victim of ignorance is a victim just the same. I don't buy in.


108 posted on 04/21/2005 4:39:37 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Caution. Contents under pressure.)
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To: petercooper

I'll have to call my accountant. It is something he sends me twice a month and I don't even know who it comes from.


109 posted on 04/21/2005 4:40:55 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Caution. Contents under pressure.)
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To: Rakkasan1

The new law is quite fair. Those opposing it here obviously haven't researched it.


110 posted on 04/21/2005 4:42:44 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Caution. Contents under pressure.)
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To: atrocitor; postaldave

http://wwww.daveramsey.com

Get on the debt snowball bus today.


111 posted on 04/21/2005 4:43:52 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: atrocitor

"As far regular consumers go, 70% of current Chapter 13's fail"

This is the first cogent argument I have heard against this bill....ever. It is the only one that makes any sense at all.

What happens to the consumer when they fail to abide by a Chap 13 bankruptcy?


112 posted on 04/21/2005 4:48:08 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: cyborg
Do you just hate it when you hork a URL?

Dave Ramsey

113 posted on 04/21/2005 4:54:53 AM PDT by whd23
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To: whd23

thanks!


114 posted on 04/21/2005 4:56:59 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

"The new law is quite fair. Those opposing it here obviously haven't researched it."

I agree.....up to 20% of people who previously filed for Chap 7 will be forced into Chap 13, is the statistic I heard quoted.

Of the people I knew who ever filed bankruptcy, it could have been avoided in every case - and was tantamount to fraud at the end in every case.

Show me where, under this bill, grandma is going to be forced to go without her heart pills because the credit card companies take her social security check, and I'll be a little more sympathetic.


115 posted on 04/21/2005 5:10:39 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Ignorance is not an excuse.
I understand your view, and your point is valid. I just disagree. As an example, my 9 year old has been to the shooting range with me several times. Last year I bought her a .22 revolver that is hers. She loads it, shoots it, cleans it, but I store it. She understands death, and I have explained to her firearm safety and how to handle a weapon. She is also very obedient and listened very well to my training.
It would be completely irresponsible for me to just let her have it by herself. If I did, and she shot someone, I would be more responsible than she.
Although she understands all of the individual points about safety and what can happen, she does not have the "life season" so to speak, to understand the ramifications of her behavior.
This is the same reason that we don't let 12 year olds drive a car. They understand how it all works, just not the consequences of their behavior.
Right out of college, few have the life experience to understand the damage that you can do in a very short time. The credit companies know this and prey on this market, allowing many of them to get hopelessly in debt before they fully understand the ramifications of the "I want it now" attitude.

Regards,
GE
116 posted on 04/21/2005 5:19:51 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: RFEngineer

Good to hear another calm rational voice.


117 posted on 04/21/2005 5:20:14 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Caution. Contents under pressure.)
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To: GrandEagle

So if a person is that immature after finishing college, who's fault is that. My kids were more mature than that in high school. Both are college grads and successful young adults. Immaturity is a parenting problem.

I don't buy the "I didn't understand" defense at all. My kids have been shooters sincce they were big enough to hold a gun.


118 posted on 04/21/2005 5:25:19 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Caution. Contents under pressure.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Keep reading down the thread.

Like where? I dont see where you have answered any one as to how you can prove that you didnt open an account that was opened in your name. Are you saying if I get a Mail Boxes Etc in another town, I can open multiple credit cards in my name and as long as I pay cash for the box and deny it was me that opened the accounts, I can default on them, risk free? Wow, thanks for the legal advice.

119 posted on 04/21/2005 5:32:24 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Dave S

I've been there and won out of court, including $20,000 in hush money from the Credit Card company. Laugh all you like and live in fear!!!!! The evil credit card companies are after you. Wringing your hands should help!


120 posted on 04/21/2005 5:40:04 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Caution. Contents under pressure.)
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