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To: agsloss
So I guess you're going to next provide yet more anecdotal evidence that Autism is caused by Vaccinations?

Ok...Post it...You obviously have something you want to say...Say it so it can be stepped on... Honestly, WE are fighting a whooping cough epidemic in the northland due to the incompetent freaks who fall for this bunk...
12 posted on 04/20/2005 8:36:51 AM PDT by Explodo (Pessimism is simply pattern recognition)
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To: Explodo

How many of those with pertussis were already vaccinated? There is enough evidence, scientific as well as anecdotal, to question the safety and efficacy of vaccinations.
Why is this the only medical procedure over which I cannot exercise informed consent?


22 posted on 04/20/2005 8:42:07 AM PDT by agsloss
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To: Explodo

Partial list of scientific studies linking the MMR vaccine and autism:

Following are some of the scientific studies that demonstrate the MMR vaccine to be a significant causal factor in autism. Note that these studies are consistently ignored in the medical establishment’s publications claiming that there is no evidence for vaccine-caused autism.

Wakefield AJ, Murch SH, Anthony A, Linnell J, Casson DM, Malik M, Berelowitz M, Dhillon AP, Thomson MA, Harvey P, Valentine A, Davies SE, Walker-Smith JA. Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children. Lancet. 1998 28;351(9103):637-41. PMID: 9500320

Ashwood P et al. Intestinal lymphocyte populations in children with regressive autism: evidence for extensive mucosal immunopathology. J Clin Immunol. 2003 Nov;23(6):504-17. PMID: 15031638

Wakefield AJ. Enterocolitis, autism and measles virus. Mol Psychiatry. 2002;7 Suppl 2:S44-6. PMID: 12142948

Wakefield AJ. The gut-brain axis in childhood developmental disorders. J Pediatr Gastroenterol Nutr. 2002 May-Jun;34 Suppl 1:S14-7. PMID: 12082381

Torrente F et al. Small intestinal enteropathy with epithelial IgG and complement deposition in children with regressive autism. Mol Psychiatry. 2002;7(4):375-82, 334. PMID: 11986981

Wakefield AJ et al. Review article: the concept of entero-colonic encephalopathy, autism and opioid receptor ligands. Aliment Pharmacol Ther 2002 16(4):663-74. PMID 11929383

Furlano RI et al. Colonic CD8 and gamma delta T-cell infiltration with epithelial damage in children with autism. J Pediatr. 2001 Mar;138(3):366-72. PMID: 11241044

O'Leary JJ et al. Measles virus and autism. Lancet. 2000 Aug 26;356(9231):772. PMID: 11085720

Wakefield AJ et al. Enterocolitis in children with developmental disorders. Am J Gastroenterol. 2000 Sep;95(9):2285-95. PMID: 11007230

Wakefield AJ, Montgomery SM. Autism, viral infection and measles-mumps-rubella vaccination. Isr Med Assoc J. 1999 Nov;1(3):183-7. PMID: 10731332

Wakefield AJ. MMR vaccination and autism. Lancet. 1999 Sep 11;354(9182):949-50. PMID: 10489978

Quigley EM, Hurley D. Autism and the gastrointestinal tract. Am J Gastroenterol. 2000 Sep;95(9):2154-6. PMID: 11007210

Kawashima H et al. Detection and sequencing of measles virus from peripheral mononuclear cells from patients with inflammatory bowel disease and autism. Dig Dis Sci. 2000 Apr;45(4):723-9. PMID 10759242

Vijendra K. Singh, Ph.D. Autism, Vaccines, and Immune Reactions. IOM presentation, Feb 9, 2004.
Audio only: http://www.iom.edu/view.asp?id=19132

Singh VK, Jensen RL. Elevated levels of measles antibodies in children with autism. Pediatr Neurol. 2003 Apr;28(4):292-4. PMID: 12849883

Singh VK et al. Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with


38 posted on 04/20/2005 8:57:49 AM PDT by agsloss
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To: Explodo

Partial list of studies linking thimerosal to Autism

The Centers for Disease Control and the American Academy of Pediatrics have issued a statement asserting that “the available scientific evidence has not shown thimerosal-containing vaccines to be harmful.” Their statement is false. Following are some of the scientific studies that demonstrate thimerosal, a mercury-containing substance that is used as a preservative, to be harmful and to be a highly probably causal factor in autism. Note that these studies are consistently ignored in the medical establishment’s publications claiming that there is no evidence for vaccine-caused autism.

Bernard S, Enayati A, Redwood L, Roger H, Binstock T. Autism: a novel form of mercury poisoning. Med. Hypotheses. 2001 Apr;56(4):462-71. PMID: 11339848

Geier DA, Geier MR. An assessment of the impact of thimerosal on childhood neurodevelopmental disorders. Pediatr Rehabil. 2003 Apr-Jun;6(2):97-102. PMID: 14534046

Geier MR, Geier DA. Neurodevelopmental disorders after thimerosal-containing vaccines: a brief communication. Exp Biol Med (Maywood). 2003 Jun;228(6):660-4. PMID: 12773696

Geier & Geier. Parents' worries about thimerosal in vaccines are well founded! http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/eletters/112/6/1394

David Baskin, M.D. et al. Thimerosal induces DNA breaks, caspase-3 activation, membrane damage, and cell death in cultured human neurons and fibroblasts. Toxicol Sci. 2003 Aug;74(2):361-8. Epub 2003 May 28. PMID: 12773768

Mady Hornig, M.D Etiologic factors and pathogenesis of autism: evidence from clinical studies and animal models. IOM presentation, Feb 9 2004 Audio only: http://www.iom.edu/view.asp?id=19108

Richard C. Deth, Ph.D. Effects of Mercury on Methionine Synthase: Implications for Disordered Methylation in Autism DAN! 2003 Philadelphia - http://64.202.182.52/powerpoint/dan2003/RichardDeth.htm

Richard C. Deth, Ph.D. A Link Between Thimerosal and the Brain: Can Vaccines Affect Central Nervous System Function? Molecular Psychiatry 2004, Volume 9.

Vojdani A, Pangborn JB et al. Infections, toxic chemicals and dietary peptides binding to lymphocyte receptors and tissue enzymes are major instigators of autoimmunity in autism. Int J Immunopathol Pharmacol. 2003 Sep-Dec;16(3):189-99. PMID: 14611720

Jeff Bradstreet, M.D. A Case-control Study of Mercury Burden in Children with Autistic Disorders and Measles Virus Genomic RNA in Cerebrospinal Fluid in Children with Regressive Autism. IOM presentation, Feb 9, 2004
Slides: http://www.iom.edu/view.asp?id=18578
Audio: http://www.iom.edu/view.asp?id=19130

Valsamakis A et al. style='mso-bidi-font-style:italic'>Altered virulence of vaccine strains of measles virus after prolonged style='mso-bidi-font-style: italic'>replication in human tissue. J Virol. 1999 73(10): 8791-7. PMID 10482633 http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/reprint/73/10/8791.pdf

The CDC's original findings before the CDC began to manipulate the data, obtained via the Freedom of Information Act: High risk values for thimerosal injections and a range of neurologic problems, including ADHD, tics, language problems, and autism. http://factsformedia.com/factsformedia/thimerosalstudy.pdf

Excerpts from CDC’s in-house conference: Thimerosal sequelae http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/library/IOM%20Simpsonwood%20in%20bold.pdf

Congressman, Dr. Weldon's letter to the CDC director, available at: http://momsonamissionforautism.org/Autism_Central/Dr_Weldon_Responds.shtml

Institute of Medicine presentation of Congressman Dave Weldon, M.D.
http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/pdf/Weldon.pdf

Geier MR, Geier DA. Autism and thimerosal-containing vaccines: analysis of the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS). IOM presentation, Feb 9, 2004.
Slides: http://www.iom.edu/view.asp?id=18392
Audio: http://www.iom.edu/view.asp?id=19120

David Baskin, M.D. Relation of Neurotoxic Effects of Thimerosal to Autism. IOM presentation, Feb 9, 2004.
Audio only: http://www.iom.edu/view.asp?id=19124


40 posted on 04/20/2005 8:58:38 AM PDT by agsloss
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To: Explodo
yet more anecdotal evidence

All empirical studies start out based on anecdotal evidence. That's what theories are based on, then you work them out empirically.

incompetent freaks who fall for this bunk...

Those would be all the family members who believe, based on their own personal observation, that a vaccination preceded their personal fight with the autistic pandemic.

46 posted on 04/20/2005 9:05:34 AM PDT by Orgiveme (Give me liberty orgiveme death!)
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To: Explodo

Listen you incompetent freak, 1 in 166, up from 4 in 10000, is an epidemic.


Period.


There is no such thing as a genetic epidemic.


62 posted on 04/20/2005 9:19:50 AM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you dont have to...." ;)
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To: Explodo
Honestly, WE are fighting a whooping cough epidemic in the northland due to the incompetent freaks who fall for this bunk

Unless the "incompetent freaks who fall for this bunk" have somehow forced everyone else to eschew the vaccinations, how are they responsible for an epidemic? Isn't it more likely that the epidemic is being caused by a strain for which the vaccination is innefective?

Serious question, not an attack. This is not my field of expertise.

Oh, and my kids were vaccinated.

Shalom.

199 posted on 04/20/2005 11:44:33 AM PDT by ArGee (Why do we let the abnormal tell us what's normal?)
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To: Explodo

you are fighting a whooping cough epidemic because the vaccine deosn't work. If it did it would not matter if a child had it and wasn't vaccinated if your kid was. if it worked your kid wouldn't get it!! There is alot of evidence that vaccines do more harm than good and alot of Dr.s are coming around and admitting this.


260 posted on 04/20/2005 12:49:20 PM PDT by rightwingmomX2
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To: Explodo
Honestly, WE are fighting a whooping cough epidemic in the northland due to the incompetent freaks who fall for this bunk...

I haven't read very far in the thread yet, but I want to ask a logical question. Why are you fighting a whooping cough epidemic from the few kids who do not vaccinate? If vaccinated kids are getting whooping cough, it is not the fault of the unvaccinated ones; instead, it means that vaccination doesn't mean immunization.

278 posted on 04/20/2005 1:24:11 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Explodo
So I guess you're going to next provide yet more anecdotal evidence that Autism is caused by Vaccinations?

i've heard this throughout the years... i didn't pay much attention until i became a parent... i always hated when my baby had to get his shots... a friend of the family believes her son became autistic when he got received one of his vaccinations... he seemed fine before that... she now works with autistic children professionally... i don't know if vaccinations cause autism, but some people do believe that, and it's not far-fetched...

329 posted on 04/20/2005 4:28:03 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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