[freedomfiter2]

In a very real sense, parents who vaccinate their children are the ones who make it possible for children who are not vaccinated to live relatively safe, disease free lives, because it is these vaccinated kids which prevent the widespread epidemics that used to kill thousands.

Actually, no. Most of the epidemics you refer to accured before antibiotics. The diseases we immunize for are mainly relatively harmless ones. For 20 years all the cases of polio in the US were caused by the live vaccines. The CDC's response was to give the vaccine companies 2 years to use up their existing stocks (who cares about the additional cases these vaccines would cause). The measles epidemics which caused birth defects were caused by the vaccine immunizations wearing off unlike natural ones obtained from getting the disease as a child.
Whether or not the mercury causes autism, it exceeds safe limits of mercury ingestion. Neither the CDC nor the vaccine companies seem to have the children's health as their top priority. Besides anything which you have to sign away your Constitutional rights to do is something you should be cautious about.
I don't mean to say that all vaccines should be done away with just that you need to be sure that the benefits are greater than the problems they may cause.

[TomB]

Most of the epidemics you refer to accured before antibiotics.

What does antibiotics have to do with it? Most of these epidemics were caused by a virus.

[monday]

"Most of the epidemics you refer to accured before antibiotics."

Most diseases that vaccines are designed to prevent are viruses, which are not affected by antibiotics.

The reason that the only polio cases in the last twenty years have been caused by vaccines is because vaccines have almost caused it to go extinct.

Do you honestly think that there would have been fewer polio cases during the last twenty years if the polio vaccine had not been invented?

I agree that vaccines are not perfect and ways to make them safer should be explored, but I see no evidence that that is not the case.

[fooman]

Good pt on 119.


Correlation does not prove causation. But a timeline helps. And sub-components of the measles vaccine has been gound in the lymph nodes of autistic kids using a PCR DNA test. O'Leary in the UK is now using this test (student of wakefield)

[Orgiveme]

For 20 years all the cases of polio in the US were caused by the live vaccines. The CDC's response was to give the vaccine companies 2 years to use up their existing stocks (who cares about the additional cases these vaccines would cause).

So that's where a college classmate of mine got her polio. I always wondered.