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New Pope Vows To Unify Christians (Pope Benedict XVI To Continue Eucumenical Outreach Alert)
Associated Press ^ | 04/20/05 | Nicole Winfield

Posted on 04/20/2005 5:47:40 AM PDT by goldstategop

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To: ctdonath2
The posts by "Reformjoy" indeed the tagline, are dead giveaways. He/she is likely a fallen away or marginal Catholic who vehemently disagrees with Catholic social teaching and believes that the Church (and the Pope) should be made in his image or likeness.

I have seen these so-called Catholics my entire 43 years of life. They are a miserable lot, generally. Angy, bitter, and prideful -- they would not conform to the will of Christ himself if it required a change in lifestyle -- Think "rich young man parable."

In any event, as much as it will pain me, I will pray for reformjoy -- that he/she becomes a little more open to the teachings of the Church.

81 posted on 04/20/2005 8:56:55 AM PDT by CWW (Mark Sanford for President on 2008!)
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To: CWW

And judging from his past, he never willingly strayed from his course. He is a man seeking to serve the Lord in any way he can.

"So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." - Revelations 3:16


82 posted on 04/20/2005 8:56:56 AM PDT by KurtAZ (So they've got us surrounded, good! Now we can fire in any direction, those bastards won't get away)
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To: CWW

Aw, I was betting hell-fire protestant for sure. I knew a couple growing up, they were afraid to come near me since their folks had told them Catholics were going straight to hell.

We could lay wagers, but I bet reformjoy wouldn't play nice.


83 posted on 04/20/2005 8:59:03 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: pa mom

lol!


84 posted on 04/20/2005 8:59:13 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (If you think pushing 40 is hard, try dragging it!)
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To: pa mom

Raging Protestant... my money's on Raging Protestant.


85 posted on 04/20/2005 9:01:24 AM PDT by Terabitten (I have a duty as an AMERICAN, not a Republican. We can never put Party above Nation.)
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To: Terabitten
I may add adolescent to my wager. There is the whole "dog with a bone" thing going on that my teens have down pat.
86 posted on 04/20/2005 9:03:43 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: reformjoy

They locked the other thread and I couldn't reply.

But I know you speakers of truth for the last days are out there. Hang on reformjoy...its not an easy calling. My prayers are with you. (I made the Tower of Babel comment, in case you forgot which one I am.)


87 posted on 04/20/2005 9:22:43 AM PDT by BriarBey ("He Who Does Not Remember History Is Condemned To Repeat It")
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To: reformjoy

The reason to go to this man was that the Conclave of Cardinals, The Princes of the Catholic Church, recognized that the Vatican II Council had been hijacked by the MODERNIST group within the church.

This had been attempted before late in the 19th century, but was stopped in it's tracks. This latest attempt in 1962, was a very agressive move, by the followers and New Age movement of the Jane Fonda's, John Kerry's, the Clinton's and the rest of the Socialist/Progressive party.

Pope Benedict XVI was there, he saw what had been to the church, along with JPII. It seems to me that JPII over the years of his reign, replaced or convinced (along with the help of his close friend and advisor Cardinal Ratzinger)the newly appointed Cardinals with men of a more traditional view of the Catholic church.

I stated that because of the continuing Heresy of Vatican II and the NO Mess along with the Homosexual/Pedophile Priests, that The Seat was Empty (Sede Vacante'). I may now soon be able to return to the Catholic Church along with millions of others and reclaim my lost love to hear the word of GOD in the House of the Lord once again.

Christus vincit, Christus regnat, Christus imperat
Christ conquers, Christ reigns, Christ commands


88 posted on 04/20/2005 9:24:59 AM PDT by 26lemoncharlie (Defend the US CONSTITUTION)
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To: reformjoy; onyx; Mo1; NYer
With all due or undue respect, as the case may be, you need to educate yourself about Pope Benedict XVI and his childhood in Germany. Dropping false comments that defile and besmirch him with lies is despicable. I'm particularly offended at the flippant and grossly inaccurate portrayals of those who chime in with tactless, baseless smears, designed only to register controversy and division. It would be a good idea to look to your conscience and your church's doctrine and theology for guidance before you again utter untruths.

Here are some facts

Ratzinger's WWII Experiences

In May 1945, thousands of German prisoners of war trudged down the highway toward the Bavarian town of Bad Aibling. Among them — tired but grateful to be alive — was 18-year-old Joseph Ratzinger, who just days before had risked death by deserting the German army.

"In three days of marching, we hiked down the empty highway, in a column that gradually became endless," the future pope recalled years later in his memoirs.

"The American soldiers photographed us, the young ones, most of all, in order to take home souvenirs of the defeated army and its desolate personnel."

(snip)

(Pope John Paul II) was forced to work in a quarry and narrowly escaped arrest in a mass roundup of young men by the Germans in Krakow; Ratzinger's experiences also were harrowing.

In particular, his decision — in late April or early May, just after he turned military age — to leave his army unit could have cost Ratzinger his life.

At the time, he knew that the dreaded SS units would shoot a deserter on the spot — or hang him from a lamppost as a warning to others. He recorded his terror when he was stopped by other soldiers.

"Thank God they were ones who had had enough of war and did not want to become murderers," he wrote in his book, "Aus meinem Leben," published in English as "Milestones: Memoirs 1927-1977."

"They had to find a reason to let me go. I had my arm in a sling because of an injury."

"Comrade, you are wounded," they told him. "Go on." Soon he was home with his father, Josef, and his mother, Maria.

For years, he and his family had watched the Nazis strengthen their grip on Germany. His father, a policeman and a convinced anti-Nazi, moved the family at least once after clashing with local followers of the party. A local teacher, he remembered, became an ardent follower of the new movement, and tried to institute a pagan May pole ritual as more fitting of Germanic ways than the traditional, conservative Catholicism.

In 1941, Ratzinger, 14, and his brother, Georg, were enrolled in the Hitler Youth when it became mandatory for all boys. Soon after, he records in his book, "The Salt of the Earth," he was let out because of his intention to study for the priesthood.

In 1943, like many teenage boys, he was drafted as a helper for an anti-aircraft brigade, which defended a BMW plant outside Munich. Later, he dug anti-tank trenches. When he turned 18, on April 16, 1945, he was put through basic training, alongside men in their 30s and 40s, drafted as the Third Reich went through its death agony. He was stationed near his hometown — he doesn't say where — but did not see combat with the approaching U.S. troops.

(snip) They identified him as a German soldier, made him put on his uniform, put up his hands, and marched him off to join other prisoners kept in a nearby meadow. Taken to a camp near Ulm, he wound up living under the open air for several weeks, surrounded by barbed wire.

He finally was released on June 19 and hitched a ride on a milk truck back to his hometown, Traunstein.

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From the start, a life of service

Born on Holy Saturday to parents Mary and Joseph, Joseph Ratzinger seemed destined to have special ties to the Catholic Church. An army deserter during the Third Reich, he became archbishop of Munich, then was called to the Vatican.

BY RITA CIOLLI
Newsday

Joseph Ratzinger was baptized hours after he was born on an icy Holy Saturday morning in a Bavarian village at the base of the Alps. The holy water had been blessed just hours before, at a vigil on the eve of Easter Sunday in 1927.

''To be the first person baptized with the new water was seen as a significant act of Providence,'' Ratzinger would write years later in Milestones, his 1998 autobiography.

(snip)

But the happiness of those early years faded in the Nazi era. Ratzinger was 6 when Adolf Hitler came to power, and says he was enrolled against his will in the Hitler Youth, as required of all German adolescents. He said he never attended meetings. His father, who once wrote that ''a victory of Hitler's would not be a victory for Germany but rather a victory for the anti-Christ,'' moved the family from Tittmoning after a dispute with local Nazis.

In 1939, at age 12, Ratzinger entered the seminarian school in Traunstein, where he said classes in Greek and Latin awoke his intellect. But four years later, the class was drafted into the Flak, an antiaircraft corps, into a unit that was to defend a BMW auto plant. There he saw slave laborers from the Dachau concentration camp.

Ratzinger was soon dismissed to continue his studies. Then, in fall 1944, he was drafted to dig ditches. Six months later, he deserted but was captured by the advancing U.S. Army. Two months later, he was released.

When the war was over, he re-entered the seminary with his brother. The two were ordained in 1951. He was just 35 when he attracted attention in Rome during the Second Vatican Council, in 1962. He was appointed a chief advisor to Cardinal Joseph Frings.

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What Kind of Man is Pope Benedict XVI?

After the rise of the Nazi's, the senior Joseph Ratzinger, a police commissioner, risked much as a public opponent of Nazi ideology which was wholly opposed to his traditional Catholicism.

As a child, Joseph Ratzinger developed a desire to teach at an early age, though he was also once impressed with the work of a local housepainter. He loved to write including poetry, "about things of everyday life, Christmas poems, nature poetry…whenever I learned something I wanted to pass it on too."

While attending the seminary, young Joseph avoided the Hitler Youth as long as possible. But later he was obliged when he reached an age at which membership became compulsory. Pope Benedict told Seewald that a sympathetic professor, himself a member of the party, arranged to have him exempted. It was difficult for him since his family was not wealthy and the government offered tuition assistance to members of the Hitler youth.

From 1943 all the seminarians were conscripted. Ratzinger did various jobs for the military until he came of age to be drafted at 18. He was stationed at first near the Austro-Hungarian border but an officer, whom he describes as "obviously anti-Nazi" arranged to send him to serve near his home. It was to Traunstein that the 18 year-old Joseph Ratzinger returned to his family in May 1945 risking death by deserting from the German army. He wrote in his memoirs that he was terrified of being caught by the SS who shot or hanged deserters on the spot.

When the war was over he spent a short time in a US POW camp after which he returned home, hitchhiking on the back of a milk truck. After the war he resumed his studies for the priesthood.

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Events in the life of Pope Benedict XVI

April 16, 1927: Born in Marktl am Inn in Germany's southern region of Bavaria near the Austrian border on the day before Easter. Baptised the same day.

1929: Family moves to town of Tittmoning.

December, 1932: Family moves to Traunstein after father came into conflict with local Nazi Party supporters in Tittmoning.

1941: Enrolled against will in Hitler Youth. Let go shortly after because of his intention to study for the priesthood.

1943: Drafted as helper for anti-aircraft unit, serves in battery defending BMW plant.

September 10, 1944: Let go from flak service. Returns home to find draft notice for forced labor.

September 20, 1944: Leaves home to dig anti-tank trenches.

November, 20, 1944: Released from labor force, returns home. Gets army draft notice three weks later.

April-May, 1945: Deserts army, returns home. Captured by Americans as war ends.

June 19, 1945: Released from U.S. POW camp, catches ride home on milk truck.

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How perfectly were you prepared for life's challanges -- and would you have been .. for Nazism and war -- when you were 14?

Long Live Pope Benedict XVI -- God Bless Him With Courage and Good Health, and May Our Dear Lord and The Blessed Mother protect him from evil and evil people, as they protected Our Dear Great Pope John Paul II !


89 posted on 04/20/2005 9:25:51 AM PDT by STARWISE (FIGHT JUDICIAL TYRANNY- CALL TO URGE COURAGE-SENATORS @ 866-808-0065+ REPS @ (202) 224-3121.FIGHT4US)
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To: reformjoy

Christ prayed that all Christians may be united. YOu may disagree with the terms Benedict would want them united under, but whatever sect you belong to, if you are a bible-believing Christian, you must work for unity.


90 posted on 04/20/2005 9:30:21 AM PDT by dangus
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To: j_k_l

Benedict knew how evil they were, and has taught against liberalism and modernism by showing how the Nazis used these thight systems to destroy Christianity in Germany.


91 posted on 04/20/2005 9:32:57 AM PDT by dangus
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To: goldstategop

bump for later reading


92 posted on 04/20/2005 9:35:44 AM PDT by kalee
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To: reformjoy
I attend to praise God and find strength, not to find "common ground" with other religions.

The freedom of religion is a private matter.

I, for one, do not look forward to being shackled to a world religion, or pressured to bow at this man's feet or accept his agendas.

LOL.... wherever did you get the egocentricity to think that Pope Benedict XVI was talking to you and awaiting your reaction? Amazing.

93 posted on 04/20/2005 9:39:46 AM PDT by STARWISE (FIGHT JUDICIAL TYRANNY- CALL TO URGE COURAGE-SENATORS @ 866-808-0065+ REPS @ (202) 224-3121.FIGHT4US)
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To: reformjoy
"He can focus on uniting Catholics, but need not bother with Christians, thank you very much.

This Uniter does not speak for me.

Christ is the only one who sits at the right hand of God"

I am sure he isn't trying to speak for protestants but to protestants. He will probably just win hearts by communication more efficiently the catholic faith.
94 posted on 04/20/2005 9:47:35 AM PDT by todd1
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To: Terabitten
You said:

“Its going to interesting to observe how the new Pope handles relations with non-Christian faiths, namely Judaism, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism among others. Yes, it will. I'm more interested, though, to see how Pope Benedict XVI treats us Protestants. If reconciliation means coming under the authority of the papacy, I can't imagine many Protestants would go for it.”

It is going to be "interesting" for protestants all right given the fact that this man Ratzinger has previously "officially declared" in official RC writing that "there is no eternal life apart from the Roman Catholic Church"… period. It is going to be "interesting" to see how this man wiggles his way around his own doctrinal position that is in writing for all to see, in order to pull the wool over the eyes of those he wants to subjugate under the authority of his supposed "holiness" and the church of Rome. This guy was not called "The Pope's Rottweiler" by those within the RC church itself who knew him "up close and personal" for nothing.

“I can't imagine many Protestants would go for it.”… Not those who know Christ and the Word of God, but don’t worry, there are lots of so-called “protestants” in and out of ministry who know neither Christ nor the Word so they will go for his ecclesiastical shenanigans hook, line and sinker… The blind leading the blind with the result that both fall into the pit.

I am a former Roman Catholic, feel free to flame away but that is what Ratzinger has said in official writing and believes (as well he should because that is what the RC church officially believes,… hence the Reformation).

…As for me and my house, we will follow and serve the Lord Jesus Christ, not some man in red who thinks he is the supposed “vicar of Christ” (Christ's representative on earth), especially in light of the fact that those within the church who know him, have openly entitled him "The Pope's Rottweiler".

95 posted on 04/20/2005 10:10:32 AM PDT by Jmouse007 ("Negotiate and die!" Brought to you by "Islam the Religion of Peace tm")
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To: Jmouse007
It is going to be "interesting" for protestants all right given the fact that this man Ratzinger has previously "officially declared" in official RC writing that "there is no eternal life apart from the Roman Catholic Church"… period.

Actually, quite a bit more was said. Nothing near as stark as you would like to interpret it.

SD

96 posted on 04/20/2005 10:17:49 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: TonyRo76

I'll take a guess at what he means by Protestants following papal authority every easter.

Protestants follow the date for easter defined and changed by pope Gregory XIII in 1582, instead of the one used by all Christians for the first 1500 years.


99 posted on 04/20/2005 11:19:03 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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