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Riding the free trade raft over the falls
WorldNetDaily ^ | April 18, 2005 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 04/18/2005 6:37:40 AM PDT by A. Pole

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To: Racehorse

Come on, Racehorse, it isn't that difficult. Would Cuba benefit from trade with the US, or wouldn't it?


101 posted on 04/18/2005 9:53:49 AM PDT by Nephi ("I am in favor of free trade." - Karl Marx)
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To: Nephi

See # 87.

Since there is not much possibility of real free trade in today's world, there are going to be times when protectionism is appropriate. Probably not too many, but some. Also, in my very first reply to you, I noted the importance of national defense, I had meant to imply that there will probably always be at least a few industries that need to be kept local, thus protected.

Nevertheless, the concept of free trade is one with which I am comfortable, its opposite, Central Planning, with government deciding price and wage, and directing the econony, is one which I oppose on principle.

Incidentally, the herd animal tag line is a direct reference to the Democrat Pary's affinity with socialism and central planning. I am advocating the opposite, but if individual freedom and personal liberty were the characteristics of the herd, which they aren't, then I would count myself in.

Back later.


102 posted on 04/18/2005 9:53:58 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: KevinDavis
Just plain old BS from Pat..

And a skillful refutation of the facts from you, right?

103 posted on 04/18/2005 9:54:19 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Nephi

you are confusing me. I can't tell which side of the free trade debate you are on.


104 posted on 04/18/2005 9:54:20 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: Nephi
"Marx was right."

OK, you have Karl Marx on your side. I have Adam Smith. I am a little surprised to find Marxist freepers, though.

105 posted on 04/18/2005 9:56:35 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Alberta's Child

Great Britain had PLENTY of places to which she could export machinery, equipment, and manufactured goods--they were called Colonies (Rhodesia, India, etc...)

Don't tell us that GB had 'noplace' to sell its goodies.


106 posted on 04/18/2005 9:56:48 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
Adam Smith would regard the Bush Trade Doctrine as a 'how-to' manual for running a house of prostitution. Bush & Co., of course, are the madams.

I recently had reason to browse through my aging copy of Smith's Wealth of Nations.  With respect to tariffs and other protectionist intervention by government, if you were to do the same, you would find you are quite wrong.  Now, with respect to other trade matters, he might smile on you just a wee bit.

107 posted on 04/18/2005 9:58:19 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Duhhh...

Perhaps you've never heard of the Greens?

It is the Greenies who have shut down US lumber production, aided by Clinton. GWB has not been much help at all--if any--in recovery of the lumber industry.


108 posted on 04/18/2005 9:58:28 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Nephi

Whether or not you or Pat ever choose to recognize the fact, tariffs do not penalize foreign producers. They are a hidden tax on the consumers of items so taxed.


109 posted on 04/18/2005 10:00:48 AM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Nephi

Good going guy. Free trade shills refer to thousands of pages of government-to-government deals as 'free trade'. Lots of input from lobbyists and foreign governments but our elected reps can't change a sentence.


110 posted on 04/18/2005 10:01:51 AM PDT by ex-snook (Exporting jobs and the money to buy America is lose-lose..)
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To: Nephi

It is that difficult.

With whom are you proposing we do business? What is the measure of benefit?


111 posted on 04/18/2005 10:01:51 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Sam Cree
You place your right to buy anything at the lowest price above the right of American workers to have the highest standard of living. You are with the herd on this one.

Can you refute the facts cited by Buchanan? Or, do you prefer to remain in the land of theory?

112 posted on 04/18/2005 10:02:29 AM PDT by Nephi ("I am in favor of free trade." - Karl Marx)
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To: phil_will1
One of the big carmakers, GM I think, expects the Chinese auto market to be larger than ours by 2020.

Sure.

At 30 cents/hour, a $8500.00 car only takes, ah, lemmeeesee heah, 28,333 hours--about 10 years' work--to pay off (excluding interest.)

That also excludes housing, food, clothing---JUST the car.

What GM is actually predicting is that the US market for GM cars will be gone by 2020. Thus, the Chinese market HAS to be bigger.

113 posted on 04/18/2005 10:03:15 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Bigun
Whether or not you or Pat ever choose to recognize the fact,

Ummm, Buchanan cited facts. Where have you refuted them?

114 posted on 04/18/2005 10:03:38 AM PDT by Nephi ("I am in favor of free trade." - Karl Marx)
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To: Nephi

"You place your right to buy anything at the lowest price above the right of American workers to have the highest standard of living. You are with the herd on this one."

What is the difference between making large wages and paying high prices and lower wages with cheap prices? If the purchasing power is the same, then introducing protctionist tarrifs to ensure high wages does nothing but increase government control and unnecessary meddling.


115 posted on 04/18/2005 10:04:53 AM PDT by CSM
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To: ninenot; All
Sorry I don't take economic advise from a guy who does nothing but gripe and moan.
116 posted on 04/18/2005 10:04:53 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: cinives

Your $4K computer (1985) would have cost you about $1K in 1990--and it was STILL made in the USA.

Since 1995, cost reductions have to do with slave labor, not manufacturing efficiencies--all of which were achieved in the USA before that date.


117 posted on 04/18/2005 10:05:09 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: babble-on; Nephi
you are confusing me. I can't tell which side of the free trade debate you are on

It is getting confusing, isn't it?  I'm on his side and we're about to take a wrong turn.  :-)

118 posted on 04/18/2005 10:06:33 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Racehorse
With whom are you proposing we do business?

I am not proposing doing business with Cuba. I was asking a simple question: Would Cuba benefit from trade with the US?

What is the measure of benefit?

What is the measure used to decide the benefit China has enjoyed?

119 posted on 04/18/2005 10:06:50 AM PDT by Nephi ("I am in favor of free trade." - Karl Marx)
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To: Sam Cree; Nephi; Toddsterpatriot
OK, you have Karl Marx on your side. I have Adam Smith. I am a little surprised to find Marxist freepers, though.

Quite the eye-opener, huh?

120 posted on 04/18/2005 10:10:59 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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