To: Francis McClobber
What about celebrating the Eucharist?
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Eucharist is not found in the bible. Do you mean breaking bread and drinking wine? Your wafer does not look like bread, either is it broken, nor do you pass wine for all to partake in REMEMBERING what Christ did for us.
Your system couldn't leave that alone either. By some sort of ridiculous witchcraft, you think you turn the Eucharist into Christ and you are actually EATING HIM. He said do this in REMEMBERANCE OF ME. I know what scripture you will grab for.....but hey...what is wrong with just taking a hunk of bread, breaking it and passing a cup of wine. What the heck is with this round thing that gets laid on the tongue, where did that come from. If I made you a sandwich out of that thing you call bread you would starve to death.
To: BriarBey
Eucharist is not found in the bible.
Really? You must be trolling now.
Do you mean breaking bread and drinking wine?No, it's the body and blood of Christ. Read your Bible. Many of His would-be followers departed from Him when He said that you must drink His blood and eat His body. There's absolutely no reason Biblically to think that it's just symbolic remembrance rather than actual partaking of the Body and Blood of Our Savior.
Your wafer does not look like bread, either is it broken, nor do you pass wine for all to partake in REMEMBERING what Christ did for us.
To: BriarBey
"Eucharist is not found in the bible"
You are correct. The word, "eucharist" is not found in the modern day english version of bible (nor in the King James Version, for that matter). But the word originates from the earliest Christians (100 AD or so--several hundred years before the Bible was formed) to define the act of "breaking bread and drinking wine" that Jesus asked us to do in rememberance of Him.
"By some sort of ridiculous witchcraft, you think you turn the Eucharist into Christ and you are actually EATING HIM."
What is happening here is what Jesus said.--"Take this, eat it. This is my body which will be given up for you. Do this in rememberance of me."
Said Jesus, "Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you."
No witchcraft there that I can see or hear. Just Jesus' words. Same holds true with the wine.
"What the heck is with this round thing that gets laid on the tongue, where did that come from. "
This round thing is unleavened wheat bread, not unlike the bread Jesus broke with his disciples during the last supper. It certainly doesn't look like the Wonder Bread that we modern day Americnas are used to, but it is bread. It is also a small portion, not the supersized.
"If I made you a sandwich out of that thing you call bread you would starve to death."
No doubt. That's why Catholics have Pancake Breakfasts and doughnuts after Mass. :-)
To: BriarBey
Eucharist is not found in the bible.
Well said. It was first a Greek word. Eucharist simply means "giving thanks". When one reads Scripture outside of its original Hebrew/Jewish context, it quickly becomes the source for all manner of paganism. The eucharist is one of them. The first record of this word is found in a First Century document that neither Catholics or Protestants want "common people" to know about. It is called the Didache. When one reads how the Didache uses the word eucharist and one also knows how "He blessed and breaked bread" is used it becomes pretty clear. Since ancient times, there are idioms for blessing G-d before eating. Saying, "hamotzi" or "blessing" are all within the context of the normal Hebrew model for prayer (blessing the Giver of life and food, rather than the perverted "bless the food" of the western/pagan mentality). You are right about eucharist in the sense of a sacrament is not found in Scripture. Blessing and thanking the One Who gave food to eat is very much in Scripture. Which means that there has been a huge deception going on, eh?
As for "communion" or "the L-rd's Supper" etc. I always wonder why people do not really do it as Y'shua commanded: at the Passover? Maybe because our Catholic friends outlawed Passover in 325 CE at the Council of Nicea (where the Nicean Creed came from)? You know, "Christians" celebrate "Easter" and only "JOOOZ" celebrate the "old fashioned Passover". /sarcasm
As for me, I will be celebrating Passover next week, and remembering Him on the very date of His sacrifice. And giving Him thanks for the ultimate redemption. Baruch HaShem!
969 posted on
04/16/2005 2:05:51 PM PDT by
safisoft
(Give me Torah!)
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