[Tao Yin]

What are you talking about? Some things can be explained. Some things require faith.

If you want to use reason in regard to Mary, here's my proof that Mary was with sin. First Scripture, then the Nicene Creed, and then reason.

Scripture
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Self explanatory.

Nicene Creed
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
born of the Virgin Mary,

First conceived by the Holy Ghost. Then born of the Virgin Mary.

Reason
First a few thoughts...

• Jesus was conceived without sin because he was conceived by the Holy Spirit.
• Jesus was born of a virgin to fulfil the Old Testament prophesy.
• Jesus lived a sinless life in a sinful world

And now for the question...

If a sinful world could not corrupt Jesus, what differences does a sinful womb make?

And by the way, Development of Christian Doctrine was a waste of time. Secret teaching and an ever expanding understanding of God's Word. So either the early church hid theology from the masses (and continues to do so), or the early church had an incomplete understanding of the meaning of Scripture and tradition? No thanks.

[adiaireton8]

Scripture Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Self explanatory.

Regarding Romans 3:23, go read posts 268, 312, 354, and 539 in this thread.

Nothing in the Nicene Creed is any evidence, let alone "proof" that Mary had sin.

Nothing in your Reason section shows that Mary had sin.

-A8