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Transcript of Glenn Beck Interview with Ken Mullinax (Re: Starving Mae)
aclearvoice.org ^ | 4-9-05 | Transcript of Interview

Posted on 04/10/2005 6:26:38 PM PDT by schmelvin

Ken: I’m the nephew of Mae Magouirk in LaGrange, Georgia. My family lives in Alabama. They’re from Addiston, Alabama and I live in Birmingham, Alabama and we love my aunt Mae very much and we can’t believe that, uh, she is being withheld substantial nourishment…

Glenn: Ken, tell me this, tell me the situation, uh, be, because your grandma has, your grandma had, or your aunt has a, um, a living will!

Ken: Yeah, she has a living will and the living will is not being obeyed. As a matter of fact her attending physician, Doctor Stadde of LaGrange, Georgia, said in probate court that even though Mae Magourik’s living will says tha, uh, that her nourishment and fluids should only be pulled if she’s comatose or vegetative, that he feels her life is such that it should be pulled regardless.

(snip)

Ken: And those of your listeners that are sitting by, complacent, thinking “oh, poor Terri Schindler-Schiavo.” And I was one of them last week. I said, “Oh it’s terrible, but it’s just a freak, it’s an anomaly. It couldn’t happen to us.”

The next day, it happened to us...

(snip)

Glenn: Let me ask you this Ken, let me ask you this. How did your, um, uh, how did your aunt’s uh, granddaughter get control of the situation?

Ken: How did she what?

Glenn: How did she get control. How did this happ…

Ken: Well I’ll tell you what. First of all she bluffed us. Uh, we went to the hospital in LaGrange when my aunt was first sick and Beth told my uncle, she said, “Uncle Buddy, don’t even start with me. I’ve got the medical durable power of attorney. I’m making the decisions.” And I said, “Beth, you know, we’re right here in front of your grandmother. Even though she’s on morphine, we shouldn’t talk about this. We should go out in the hall.”

We went out in the hall and we explained my mother’s in uh, she’s had a great quality of life for the last two years even though she was in a coma. [Ken's mother was only in a coma for 3 months, she is now living a normal, active life.] We can treat it without surgery. And she said, “Listen,” she said, she started crying, she said, “I’ve been praying about this and, and I’ve been praying to Jesus. Jesus has told me it’s time that grandmother went home to Jesus. She’s got glaucoma. Now she’s got a dissected aorta and her quality of life is just terrible and we just think she should just go to hospice.” And I said, “Beth, hospice is a synonym for death. We’ve got doctors who are ready to take care of her today.”

She goes, “no, I’ve got the medical power of attorney and that’s it.” So we thought our hands were tied, Glenn. A week goes by. Last Thursday my uncle and my mother independently started thinking, “this is wrong.” Since I used to be on Capitol Hill as a senior staff guy in Washington, I know my way around, so they said, “Kenny, get involved see what you can find out, we want to bring May to UAB hospital.” So I call hospice, I say to Frita the hospice nurse. I said, “what are my aunt’s vital stats at. She said, “well today, her blood pressure is 160/88 with a pulse of 84.” I said, “well that’s not so bad.” I said, “my aunt’s going to make it, isn’t she.” She says, “Oh no, your aunt’s not going to make it because we have withheld nourishment per geth…Beth Gaddy since March 28th.” She said, “I’ve been off the past few days. I’m surprised your aunt’s still alive.” I said, “What!”

Next time, I, she says, “call the hospice attorney.” I called Carol Todd, hospice attorney, ug, said “we’re going to be litigious.” She said, “let me check into it. Heard nothing all day, last Thursday, March 31st until 4 in the afternoon. Carol Todd called me up, “Oh my God, we made a mistake.” I said, “What are you talking about, mistake?” She said, “Beth has power of attorney, but it’s only financial, not medical durable power of attorney. And guess what? Your aunt has a living will and it says only should fluids and nourishment be withheld if she’s comatose or vegetative, she’s neither.”

I said, “Guess what, Mother, get on the phone.” Mom got on the phone. She said, “start IV fluids immediately.” They said, “we can do that.” She said, “start a temporary feeding tube just in the nose to give her nourishment and get her electrolytes back up so she can start feeding herself.” They said, “We can’t do that, you’ve gotta come in and sign the papers.” So, uh, Mom stayed here because she’s a little sick. My uncle Buddy, Aunt May’s brother and I went, the three hours from our homes to LaGrange, Georgia from our homes in Alabama. Hospice attorney Carol Todd was to meet us at 10 o’clock. She didn’t show up and the hospice head nurse talked to us, “oh, she needs to die. You know, the life’s over, no quality of life.”

And finally, we listened to this for about an hour and a half, and I said, “This is B.S. We want my aunt out of here now. I have world-class doctor Raed Agel of UAB’s cardiovascular unit arranging life-saver helicopter.” They kept inching us on out, Glenn, until Carol Todd the hospice attorney showed up and gave us a piece of paper. Turns out hospice had told Beth Gaddy the granddaughter that we were coming over, that she no longer had durable power of attorney and she went before the probate judge that morning and got a temporary emergency guardianship.

(snip)

Glenn: Oh, I gotta tell you, you can go to all the law schools, you say everybody on the Supreme Court, everybody on the 11th circuit court, everybody down in Florida, they all passed the bar and I gotta tell you man. Just because you went to school and, and passed the bar and you are an attorney and then you become a judge, doesn’t mean that you have common sense. I’m sick of these judges, man, sick to death of these judges. So let me ask you, did they put, did they, so they didn’t put the feeding tube back in. Was she, did, uh, did, how long has she been without food and water?

Ken: No, but they did have an IV in that we ordered on last Thursday and it was in her Friday, April 1st. But when the hospice person gave us this emergency decree from the probate judge, they took the IV liquids out right in front of us.

(snip)

Glenn: But, how much, how much time does she have?

Ken: That’s why I couldn’t wait on this compromise. It was supposed to be 24 hours from Monday. I waited all the way till Thursday. But how much time does she have? I don’t know. Because she’s 81 and the worst thing about it, you know, it’s bad that she’s not getting adequate nourishment or adequate fluids, but this is a little thing that, that may not mean anything to anybody but me or my aunt. But she, she has glaucoma. She can’t produce tears. She has to take drops to keep her eyes lubricated. She hasn’t had those drops in the last two weeks. She’s blind practically now. Opening her eyes is, is a terrible pain. And they won’t give her the drops.

(snip)

You can read the entire interview here:

http://www.aclearvoice.org/archives/2005/04/transcript_of_g.php


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: feedingtube; glennbeck; hospice; kenmullinax; maemagouirk; magouirk; terrischiavo
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Someone asked me to post this here, so here it is.

The good news is that after this interview Mae was saved. She was removed from that hospice and transported to a hospital where she is now getting excellent care.

Thank You: To all the FReepers and supporters of Terri Schiavo who fought so hard to save Mae's life.

1 posted on 04/10/2005 6:26:41 PM PDT by schmelvin
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To: schmelvin

http://www.aclearvoice.org/archives/2005/04/transcript_of_g.php


2 posted on 04/10/2005 6:27:36 PM PDT by schmelvin
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To: schmelvin
“oh, she needs to die. You know, the life’s over, no quality of life.”

This should chill the soul of every one of us.
susie
3 posted on 04/10/2005 6:39:07 PM PDT by brytlea (Yes, there are Republican teachers...)
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To: schmelvin
“oh, she needs to die. You know, the life’s over, no quality of life.”

This should chill the soul of every one of us.
susie
4 posted on 04/10/2005 6:39:29 PM PDT by brytlea (Yes, there are Republican teachers...)
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To: ntnychik; devolve; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; Smartass; Happy2BMe

5 posted on 04/10/2005 6:41:30 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: schmelvin; jan in Colorado; Bennett46; swordfish71; Former Dodger; USF; ariamne; texasbluebell; ...

You all gotta come and see this! Thanks schmelvin for posting.


6 posted on 04/10/2005 6:47:16 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Proud to be an Aussie.)
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To: potlatch; schmelvin; MeekOneGOP; nicmarlo; floriduh voter; Ohioan from Florida; Grampa Dave; ...
Greedy Beth Gaddy want duh money honey--

Hi, I'm Doctor Neil Warren of elarceny and Beth Gaddy and Michael Schiavo are just one of the millions of couples who've found their soulless mate on elarceny.

Now we'll see Beth Gaddy doing commercials on cable for KillGrannyDotCom.

Uncle Sam is still on guard in case this goes south:


7 posted on 04/10/2005 6:52:25 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: schmelvin

For Updates go to www.blogsforterri.com


8 posted on 04/10/2005 6:53:39 PM PDT by lastchance (Life is sacred.)
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To: PhilDragoo
Uncle Sam is still on guard in case this goes south

I think it already came south in my direction recently when baby Sun died. His situation was somewhat different but still sad.

9 posted on 04/10/2005 6:57:04 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Fred Nerks

In this case, a happy ending! Thank God the family fought this abomination tooth and nail. I hope the granddaughter is ostracized from the family for pulling this; she may try it again. This is scary, scary, scary, stuff..

Keep me pinged on other stories like this, Freddie, or if there is some action being taken.


10 posted on 04/10/2005 6:59:17 PM PDT by ariamne (reformed liberal--Shieldmaiden of the Infidel)
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To: schmelvin

No eye drops allowed for an old lady with glaucoma? No dental treatment or sunlight for Terri...
Show me no more 'prison torture' photographs, true torture is what is going on in a hospice near you.


11 posted on 04/10/2005 7:06:37 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Proud to be an Aussie.)
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To: djreece; ExPatInFrance; eeevil conservative; nicmarlo; maine-iac7; schmelvin; Netizen; Sun; ...

Mae Magouirk ping. If anybody wants on or off the list please let me know.

Thanks for posting this schmelvin!


12 posted on 04/10/2005 7:08:35 PM PDT by Wneighbor
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To: schmelvin

Thanks so much for posting. Glenn Beck is GREAT! Life!


13 posted on 04/10/2005 7:16:09 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: schmelvin

"THEY TOOK THE IV LIQUIDS OUT RIGHT IN FRONT OF US"!

How blatant is that? Did they feel they would get away with it because nothing was able to stop the culture of death from killing Terri?


14 posted on 04/10/2005 7:17:12 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Proud to be an Aussie.)
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To: Fred Nerks
true torture is what is going on in a hospice near you.

This was the topic of conversation among my neighborhood backyard chat this afternoon. The hopeful part is that I've got some pretty left-leaning and absolute falling off the left edge neighbors. Not one of us think this is okay. nada. nobody out chatting on my block this beautiful afternoon wanted to justify killing Terri or Mae or anyone like them.

It at least relieves my heart that I don't have to argue *this* issue of life among these folks.

15 posted on 04/10/2005 7:18:35 PM PDT by Wneighbor
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To: Fred Nerks
No eye drops allowed for an old lady with glaucoma? No dental treatment or sunlight for Terri... Show me no more 'prison torture' photographs, true torture is what is going on in a hospice near you.

Roger that. Nobody risked death from the abu Ghraib antics; the same can't be said for Woodside, LaGrange and Ted's Oldsmobile.

16 posted on 04/10/2005 7:19:00 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Wneighbor

bttt


17 posted on 04/10/2005 7:19:17 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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I hope Aunt Mae changes her will and disowns her granddaughter! I'd love to see her press charges!


18 posted on 04/10/2005 7:29:41 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: potlatch; PhilDragoo; Ragtime Cowgirl; Cindy; SusanTK; AdmSmith; Valin; ALOHA RONNIE; MeekOneGOP; ..



 

19 posted on 04/10/2005 7:33:13 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: PhilDragoo

Sally posted this link on a previous thread:

http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ejoyinlife/

Save it: Unbelievable. Hair Raising. Terrifying.


20 posted on 04/10/2005 7:37:36 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Proud to be an Aussie.)
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