[Melas]

I disagree entirely. I know a lot of "nice guys" who don't do well with women, and the things they have in common are just amazing. They all give too much of themselves and expect little if nothing in return. As a result, they wind up being perenial givers and rarely takers.

I admit it, I was a jerk when I was dating. I routinely gave women false numbers and often times didn't even use my real name, becuase honestly, I didn't plan on calling back and didn't want her calling me either. A behavior that used to infuriate my nice-guy buddy, and life-long best friend. He went out of his way to be nice, and couldn't score if the goalie went for popcorn. I was a jerk who just wanted to get laid, and I rarely went without.

[HitmanLV]

Check my post 77 on this thread for a more detailed view of what I am saying. I agree that 'nice guys' give to much and don't expect anything in return. Women don't find this appealing.