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To: murphE
"It is you who are losing your temper and being insulting."

Response: Never been calmer and not trying to be insulting,
but if, if you have a chip on your shoulder that is another thing (but that might be insulting, sorry).

"The assumption that you make that Catholics are "mechanically obeying" is false, we obey because it is true."
Response: Is there anything you do for others "spiritual works" (outside of the rules you follow in the Catholic Church) for Jesus, that you would consider inspired by the Holy Ghost? Something that really gets your fire, enthusiasm going for God? If there is, then I submit that, that work, is the one that gains you cudos from God not mechanically going thru rituals and obeying rules and saying required prayers. Faith without (inspired) works is dead. Ritualistic conformance is not what the apostle is referring to.
Truth is what is true in the heart, given by revelation of the Holy Ghost, not that which is artificially poured in like wet concrete into the brain and held there by threats of judgment in a lake of fire if you do not comply. "Yes, but that was not my concern in this instance." Response: You are not interested in winning a poor lost soul over to the Catholic Church on this thread? Paul the apostle said: You must be ready in season and out of season to give a reason for the hope you have in the Lord Jesus." "Yes, I have and I do as it authoritatively spoken through His Church on earth." Response: The Pope and the Cardinals and the Bishops and the Priests I take you to mean ???? How can you be sure they are inspired by the Holy Ghost ?? The best way is to check it against the Old and especially the New Testament writings by the apostles, making sure they are not adding something unnecessarily to your burden. "But if an individual even a priest/ pastor, "or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema", and I would reject it." Response: Then you must, by all means read the gospels thru and thru, from Mathew to Revelation again and again and compare it to how much the Catholic Church has added and polluted the pure gospel (simple good news of the Lord Jesus) You cannot just blindly accept more requirements for salvation beyond what even the Lord Jesus layed down for us. You and you alone will stand before the Lord at (after) your death. There will not be anyone from earth (Vatican/parish etc.) defending you with how you kept the rules of men. Simply "Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved from the fires of hell and don't forget to ask Jesus to give you the Holy Ghost as well, for he who hath not the Spirit of Jesus living in them is none of His. He "Jesus gives the Holy Ghost to them who ask" I apologize if I have upset you. It is difficult to move ducks around once you think they have been properly place in their correct pigeon holes, if you get my drift ??? The fact is there are alot fewer ducks to move around when you deal with the pure gospel alone.............and do not add to it..........
88 posted on 04/07/2005 2:57:57 PM PDT by clearsight
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To: clearsight
if you have a chip on your shoulder that is another thing

The chip I have on my shoulder is you pretending to engage in a discussion when all you really want to do is spout your false ideas about what Catholics do and believe, and then listen to yourself knock down the straw men you have created.

then I submit that,...

I submit that when you pretend to know what Catholics believe and what Catholics do, you show how ignorant you are. When you refuse to take correction, to find out what they actually do believe and practice you show that your motives are, well, less than pure.

Truth is what is true in the heart,

Do you write for Hallmark? You've got a big seller with that one.

You are not interested in winning a poor lost soul over to the Catholic Church on this thread?

If I thought that there was an ounce of sincerity in any of your questions, and that they were not just a way for you to spread your complete and utterly false understanding of the Church and its beliefs and practices perhaps, but the few exchanges we've had I think this verse reflects my most appropriate course of action:

"And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you; going forth from thence, shake off the dust from your feet for a testimony to them."
Mark 6.11

95 posted on 04/07/2005 8:54:59 PM PDT by murphE (Never miss an opportunity to kiss the hand of a holy priest.)
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