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To: chs68; what's up
Strange? How so?

When he says "strange" he doesn't mean it is bizarre or unprecedented or impossible to believe. He just means he can not find it explicitly taught in his Bible.

But that's OK, cause I can't find it taught in his Bible where it says that everything is taught explicitly in the Bible.

SD

225 posted on 04/06/2005 12:26:52 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
But that's OK, cause I can't find it taught in his Bible where it says that everything is taught explicitly in the Bible.

I didn't find "scripture alone" either. But I did find "faith alone"...

238 posted on 04/06/2005 12:47:50 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: SoothingDave

"All Scripture is inspired by God
and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:16-17

Please explain how a deficient work can make one "adequate" in the eyes of a perfect God who demands only perfection?

Scripture is enough.


303 posted on 04/06/2005 1:48:54 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: SoothingDave

"So then, brethren, stand firm and
hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us." 2 Thessalonians 2:15

Since the apostles have ceased, so have their words. All we have left is their letters. Scripture is what we are to hold fast to.

As for history, Hilary says the "faith from the beginning" involved, "if any man teaches contrary to the wholesome and right faith of the Scriptures. (Hilary of Poitiers, On the Councils, or the Faith of the Easterns, 30)


304 posted on 04/06/2005 1:51:31 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: SoothingDave
1 Corinthians 4:6:

Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.”

309 posted on 04/06/2005 1:54:48 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: SoothingDave
...cause I can't find it taught in his Bible where it says that everything is taught explicitly in the Bible.

To a Catholic, it is simply bizarre to think that God reveals Himself sufficiently through His Written Word.

It may be bizarre to a Catholic, but it is a caricature of Sola Scriptura to say that the claim is that Scripture teaches everything. There is a difference between exhaustive and sufficient. The claim, which is taught explicitly in the Bible, is that the Scripture has the ability to thoroughly equip the man of God for every good work. Included in every good work are "doctrine", "reproof", "correction", and "instruction in righteousness"

Is believing in the doctrine of the Assumption of Mary, for example, a "good work"? If it were, it would logically lead to the absurd conclusion that the Scripture is unable to thoroughly or sufficiently equip the man of God with regard to a true doctrine that is nowhere found or implied therein.

Enjoying as you do the consolation of the Holy Scriptures, you stand in need neither of my assistance nor of that of anybody else to help you comprehend your duty. You have the all-sufficient counsel and guidance of the Holy Spirit to lead you to what is right
Basil the Great
(Philip Schaff and Henry Wace, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Peabody: Hendrikson, 1995), Second Series: Volume VIII, Basil: Letters and Select Works, Letter CCLXXXIII, p. 312).

...we make the Holy Scriptures the rule and the measure of every tenet (dogma); we necessarily fix our eyes upon that, and approve that alone which may be made to harmonize with the intention of those writings.
Gregory of Nyssa
(Philip Schaff and Henry Wace, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Peabody: Hendrikson, 1995), Second Series: Volume V, Philosophical Works, On the Soul And the Resurrection, p. 439).

Do not then believe me because I tell thee these things, unless thou receive from the Holy Scriptures the proof of what is set forth: for this salvation, which is of our faith, is not by ingenious reasonings, but by proof from the Holy Scriptures ... For the Articles of the Faith were not composed at the good pleasure of men: but the most important points chosen from all Scriptures, make up the one teaching of the Faith. And, as the mustard seed in a little grain contains many branches, thus also this Faith, in a few words, hath enfolded in its bosom the whole knowledge of godliness contained both in the Old and New Testaments.
Cyril of Jerusalem
(A Library of the Fathers of the Holy Catholic Church (Oxford: Parker, 1845), The Catechetical Lectures of S. Cyril 4.17).

Cordially,

580 posted on 04/07/2005 10:26:46 AM PDT by Diamond (Qui liberatio scelestus trucido inculpatus.)
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